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post #21 of 74 Old 11-18-09, 09:27 PM Thread Starter
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Re: Another new person to home theater, advice please.

Hello Again,

I was alerted to a sale on HSU subwoofers. The VTF1 and VTF2 MK3 have prices that sandwich themselves in between the PB10-nsd and pb12-nsd. Here are the prices including shipping to me:

VTF1 $450
PB10-nsd $499.15
VTF2 Mk3 $578
PB12-nsd $626.22

The PB12 is out of my budget and is there for reference. Should I consider saving a bit with the VTF1, keeping with the PB10 or saving a little more for the VTF2?

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post #22 of 74 Old 11-18-09, 10:29 PM
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Re: Another new person to home theater, advice please.

Hello,
While both good choices, the PB10 goes down to 20Hz whereas the VTF-1 is rated to 25 Hz. I would say it is a nobrainer for 50 Dollars to get the SVS. Also, the SVS has a more powerful amplifier. By 125 watts!
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post #23 of 74 Old 11-24-09, 05:32 PM Thread Starter
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Re: Another new person to home theater, advice please.

Hello,

So, I'm still waiting for a decent deal (and a few paychecks) until I spring for a system.

I've a few random questions while I'm still shopping:

1) If I were to find that dialog through a center speaker were not very clear, would turning up the volume on the center speaker only (assuming you can do that) be the only way to hear dialog?

2) The tower speakers usually have some sort of bass due to the way they are designed. With a subwoofer, would the receiver know that there was one connected? If so, then does it give all of the bass duties to the sub? Or does the tower still do bass duty?

3) Is there a sticky thread that tells you how to properly break in speakers and subs? What if I can't play music at a moderate volume 24/7 or even while I'm away at work? Could I make due with a lower volume for a longer break in period?

Even if I don't have my speakers yet, it can't hurt to know what to do next, right?

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Hello,

So, I'm still waiting for a decent deal (and a few paychecks) until I spring for a system.

I've a few random questions while I'm still shopping:

1) If I were to find that dialog through a center speaker were not very clear, would turning up the volume on the center speaker only (assuming you can do that) be the only way to hear dialog?

2) The tower speakers usually have some sort of bass due to the way they are designed. With a subwoofer, would the receiver know that there was one connected? If so, then does it give all of the bass duties to the sub? Or does the tower still do bass duty?

3) Is there a sticky thread that tells you how to properly break in speakers and subs? What if I can't play music at a moderate volume 24/7 or even while I'm away at work? Could I make due with a lower volume for a longer break in period?

Even if I don't have my speakers yet, it can't hurt to know what to do next, right?

Thanks again,
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Hello,
1) You can raise the level of the Center Channel Speaker on the fly with most receivers. I have never owned a receiver where that has not been the case. Mind you that at loud levels, if your amplification is lacking, raising the level could lead to distortion.

2) With modern receivers, there is a speaker setup page on the setup menu. On this page, it asks you which speakers you have (Front Left, Center, Front Right, Surround Left, Surround Right, Surround Back left, Surround back Right, and Subwoofer) and the size of the speaker. (Large or Small)
Most receivers actually do this for you now via Audyssey, MCACC (Pioneer) et al. Through test tones via a microphone it determines the distance, level and size of the speakers. With floorstanders, you can run them full range, but most cross all speakers over at 80 Hz when using a subwoofer. If you do not have a subwoofer, this is not the case.

3) I am not sure if there is a sticky, but just take it easy for the first 50-100 hours. From there, spend time learning the sound and abilities of your system. Pay special attention while playing at higher volumes for compression and distortion. If the sound is starting to sound distorted, immediately turn down the volume.
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Re: Another new person to home theater, advice please.

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Hello,

So, I'm still waiting for a decent deal (and a few paychecks) until I spring for a system.

I've a few random questions while I'm still shopping:

1) If I were to find that dialog through a center speaker were not very clear, would turning up the volume on the center speaker only (assuming you can do that) be the only way to hear dialog?

2) The tower speakers usually have some sort of bass due to the way they are designed. With a subwoofer, would the receiver know that there was one connected? If so, then does it give all of the bass duties to the sub? Or does the tower still do bass duty?

3) Is there a sticky thread that tells you how to properly break in speakers and subs? What if I can't play music at a moderate volume 24/7 or even while I'm away at work? Could I make due with a lower volume for a longer break in period?

Even if I don't have my speakers yet, it can't hurt to know what to do next, right?

Thanks again,
H
3.I can tell you speaker break in is a myth that goes on the list with fancy cables, amp audibility and other crazy things. Save yourself money and trouble. Get the best speakers/sub you can get and add a receiver that does the job.

1. I don't think your space is large enough to warrant a center speaker. But if you insist you can run it hot to get better hearing for the volume.

2. Frequency response in a loudspeaker is the product of many variables. On your budget I'd suggest a bookshelf approach due to the budget. Building a great tower is expensive even as a hobbyist.

For the record the best budget speakers I've heard and evaluated are the Behringer 2030p's They are less than 150 for the price and are probably more than adequate for your needs. There is a lot of junk in the lower price range so be careful of it. These are widely used in studios and by budget minded theater folks with great satisfaction.

The step up from those is the Ascend Acoustics 170 bookshelf.

I base my evaluation off measurements and both of these do extremely well. They aren't perfect, but this is a budget setup.

2 pairs of the behringers with an HK AVR 247(adequate) direct from harman kardon would run you about 500 bucks.

That would leave the rest to getting a nice sub. I suggest the SVS or Epik in that price range.

If you decide you want to go with my suggested setup just pm me and I'll help you work the best price.
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Re: Another new person to home theater, advice please.

Hello,
There is always going to be debate between those who believe in speaker break in, sonic attributes in amplification, etc...
I usually try to avoid these debates and rarely make declarations about many of these third rail topics.
That being said, the vast majority of Speaker Manufacturers do believe in break in. As do the majority of Professional Reviewers. With things like the rubber surrounds of speaker drivers, I do think that there is a certain amount of break in. However, I respect the opinions of those who believe otherwise.
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3.I can tell you speaker break in is a myth that goes on the list with fancy cables, amp audibility and other crazy things. Save yourself money and trouble. Get the best speakers/sub you can get and add a receiver that does the job.
This statement is not factual, most speaker manufacturers clearly state in there manuals that come with the speakers that break in is going to change the sound over the first few weeks of use.

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Onkyo 805, Yamaha YDP2006EQ, Samson Servo 600 amp
3 EV Sentry 500 monitors across the front, 4 Mission 762i's Surrounds, SVS PB13U sub, Panasonic BDT220, Harmony 1100, Nintendo WiiU
Panasonic PT-AE8000 on a 120" 2,35:1 fixed screen

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Sherwood/Newcastle R972, Mission 765's, SVS SBS02's, A/D/S MS3u sub, Yamaha YDG2030EQ
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LOL, we keep doing this Jack. We think alike.

Home theater:
Onkyo 805, Yamaha YDP2006EQ, Samson Servo 600 amp
3 EV Sentry 500 monitors across the front, 4 Mission 762i's Surrounds, SVS PB13U sub, Panasonic BDT220, Harmony 1100, Nintendo WiiU
Panasonic PT-AE8000 on a 120" 2,35:1 fixed screen

Living room system:
Sherwood/Newcastle R972, Mission 765's, SVS SBS02's, A/D/S MS3u sub, Yamaha YDG2030EQ
Yamaha KX-393 Tape deck, CDC 805 CD changer, Panasonic BD60, Sony turntable PS-T20
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Re: Another new person to home theater, advice please.

Hello,
Tony, indeed my friend. Means a great deal to know we think alike on most every audio debate.
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Re: Another new person to home theater, advice please.

Hello,

I'm about to purchase a sr707 that's on sale. To test the unit, could I attach my old speakers from the Onkyo gxw-5.1 system? They're small cube speakers and I can't even find the manual online to look at specs. I don't want to damage them but I also don't want the sr707 sitting in a box for several months until I get the rest of the speakers.

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