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post #1 of 23 Old 10-14-11, 01:18 PM Thread Starter
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Equipment Recommedations for newbie

Hi I am setting up a HT area in basement. I am currently finishing my basement and I have set aside 1 corner that will be my HT area. It is @ 15 x 18 and will be open in rear to a bar area. Based on info I have been able to pull from this forum and others I have complied the following list for a budget home theater setup. The theater will be used primarily for TV, Sports and movie watching. I am still deciding between a couple of models on each component. Please let me know what you think of the list and make recommendations on each component.

Epson 8700UB package with 100" screen - Vis Apex - $2255
Epson 8350 package with 100" screen - Vis Apex - $1544

Onkyo 708 - acc4less - refurb - $370
Onkyo 609 - acc4less - refurb - $320

Pioneer - SP C21, SP FS551s, SP BS21s - Total - $430
Infinity - PC 350, PC362s, P143BKs - $680

Woofer - BIC F12?? - $182.00
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Any help on deciding between the above or possible better suggestions are welcomed.

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Re: Equipment Recommedations for newbie

Personally the 8700 is the projector you want to go with I would also consider the Panasonic AE7000.
The Onkyo 708 is by far the better choice simply due to having pre-outs allowing external amplification is needed down the road.
For speakers Im not sure I would go with either of the ones you listed, I would also up your budget and look at something a little better given the size of your room neither of the ones listed will be very good.
For a sub I have never been a fan of BIC if your looking to have good deep bass in the space you have you would need to go with at least this one from Elemental Designs, this A3S250

If your looking for a great speaker and sub package look at one's from SVS is impossible to beat.

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Onkyo 805, Yamaha YDP2006EQ, Samson Servo 600 amp
3 EV Sentry 500 monitors across the front, 4 Mission 762i's Surrounds, SVS PB13U sub, Panasonic BDT220, Harmony 1100, Nintendo WiiU
Panasonic PT-AE8000 on a 120" 2,35:1 fixed screen

Living room system:
Sherwood/Newcastle R972, Mission 765's, SVS SBS02's, A/D/S MS3u sub, Yamaha YDG2030EQ
Yamaha KX-393 Tape deck, CDC 805 CD changer, Panasonic BD60, Sony turntable PS-T20
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Re: Equipment Recommedations for newbie

Can I get a SVS system with a sub for $1200? It seems their cheapest sub is nearly $700?

Also what is b-pole surrounds? They seeme to be much more costly. Would they be worth it in a HT room that does not have 4 walls?

I am willing to spend a little more ($1500)if I get something that is top quality and will be that much better than the ones I listed. Not sure if my basement will be set acoustically for the more expensive speakers to make that much of a difference?

Any direction will be much appreciated.

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Re: Equipment Recommedations for newbie

Bi-pole speakers are designed in a triangle with speakers on two faces of the triangle. This sends sound out in two directions. if your only going with a 5.1 setup this is a great choice.
Its hard to find good speakers with a small budget for a room your size. Alot of people like these Behringer B2030P speakers for $108 as well and would be a good choice if your really stuck. (Remeber these are a per speaker price)

Home theater:
Onkyo 805, Yamaha YDP2006EQ, Samson Servo 600 amp
3 EV Sentry 500 monitors across the front, 4 Mission 762i's Surrounds, SVS PB13U sub, Panasonic BDT220, Harmony 1100, Nintendo WiiU
Panasonic PT-AE8000 on a 120" 2,35:1 fixed screen

Living room system:
Sherwood/Newcastle R972, Mission 765's, SVS SBS02's, A/D/S MS3u sub, Yamaha YDG2030EQ
Yamaha KX-393 Tape deck, CDC 805 CD changer, Panasonic BD60, Sony turntable PS-T20
Panasonic TC-P50ST60, HD-PVR & WDTV Live, Harmony 900


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Re: Equipment Recommedations for newbie

Hello,
I agree with Tona on truly everything. I will point out that some x08 Series Onkyo's were affected with defective IDE (Serial) Cable that causes the Remote Control not to work, cycling of Sources, and eventually the unit can become unresponsive. However, it is by no means all of them and the fact you are looking at Refurbished AVR's gives you an even better chance of the literally couple Dollar Cable being replaced.

The 708 offers Preamp Outputs and Audyssey MultEQ which is huge. (609 offers Audyssey 2EQ) Moreover, it is more powerful. The Video Processing in the 609 is superior and many prefer the new Industrial Design.
Also, another Subwoofer to consider is the Dayton Sub-120 which is available for around $150 and is a stellar value.
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The Onkyo 708 is by far the better choice simply due to having pre-outs allowing external amplification is needed down the road.
A Yamaha 867 or A-800 is $400 and includes pre-outs. That is another $150 towards a sub vs the 708 at $550. Personally not a fan of Onkyo with how hot they run and the recent quality control problems they have experienced.

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For speakers Im not sure I would go with either of the ones you listed, I would also up your budget and look at something a little better given the size of your room neither of the ones listed will be very good.
A friend of mine has the 362's and the 351 Center. I would encourage the OP to pick them up vs the Sony's. They are a great value if you have a budget to stick to.

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For a sub I have never been a fan of BIC if your looking to have good deep bass in the space you have you would need to go with at least this one from Elemental Designs, this A3S250
Disagree with you on the BIC. The PL200/H-200 is a good value sub. Agree with on looking at the A3S250. Again if budget restricted get two BIC H-100's.

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If your looking for a great speaker and sub package look at one's from SVS is impossible to beat.
I haven't heard the packages from SVS but they most likely perform. Their compact (bookshelf) speakers look cheesy. Anything I would consider from them is easily in the $3K range from them.
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Hmmm, not really getting where your coming from jinjuku,
The Onkyo 708 is $370 so less than the Yamaha you mention and has higher power output all channels driven. Yamaha has its issues as well. The HDCP HDMI handshake failure just to name one. Onkyo sells twice if not three times as many receivers as any other manufacturer so these "issues" you talk about are exaggerated to say the least and has been talked about far too much. I like Yamaha and would never discourage someone from buying them but Onkyo for about the past 5 years has been on top for features and power output ratings (bang for buck).

SVS is by no means "cheesy" and blows away the competition in quality and craftsmanship. Everything is made and assembled in North America using high quality crossovers, tweeters and drivers. They sell only on line so no brick and mortar cost overhead. If you have never heard them don't knock them.

Home theater:
Onkyo 805, Yamaha YDP2006EQ, Samson Servo 600 amp
3 EV Sentry 500 monitors across the front, 4 Mission 762i's Surrounds, SVS PB13U sub, Panasonic BDT220, Harmony 1100, Nintendo WiiU
Panasonic PT-AE8000 on a 120" 2,35:1 fixed screen

Living room system:
Sherwood/Newcastle R972, Mission 765's, SVS SBS02's, A/D/S MS3u sub, Yamaha YDG2030EQ
Yamaha KX-393 Tape deck, CDC 805 CD changer, Panasonic BD60, Sony turntable PS-T20
Panasonic TC-P50ST60, HD-PVR & WDTV Live, Harmony 900

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Hmmm, not really getting where your coming from jinjuku,
The Onkyo 708 is $370 so less than the Yamaha you mention and has higher power output all channels driven.
I personally in good conscience can not recommend refurbish Onkyo. I was talking New. The A-800 with a 2 year warranty is $400 with pre-outs. Just a difference of opinion and approach.

Not sure what Onkyo selling more units has to do with it. GM sells more cars than BMW.

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SVS is by no means "cheesy" and blows away the competition in quality and craftsmanship. Everything is made and assembled in North America using high quality crossovers, tweeters and drivers. They sell only on line so no brick and mortar cost overhead. If you have never heard them don't knock them.
I said I thought the bookshelf from looked cheesy. I said nothing about their performance. I think with the Primus the OP can get a lot more speaker for the $$. That is my only point.

I simply don't see the $700 5.0 setup from SVS clobbering the Primus for HT duty. I believe it would be the other way around.
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Personally the 8700 is the projector you want to go with I would also consider the Panasonic AE7000.
The Onkyo 708 is by far the better choice simply due to having pre-outs allowing external amplification is needed down the road.
For speakers Im not sure I would go with either of the ones you listed, I would also up your budget and look at something a little better given the size of your room neither of the ones listed will be very good.
For a sub I have never been a fan of BIC if your looking to have good deep bass in the space you have you would need to go with at least this one from Elemental Designs, this A3S250

If your looking for a great speaker and sub package look at one's from SVS is impossible to beat.
Tony,

I am deciding between the Infinity Primus I listed as well as the SVS 5.0 with bi-pole surrounds. You mention my room is too big for the Infinity or Pioneer models it just seems that SVS with the bookshelf speakers in front would produce less sound?

Still have not decided on woofer - may save for the SVS SB12 or go with 2 cheaper subs - Lava or BIC. May just get 1 of the Elemental Design.

I am more interested in what to do with fronts and surrounds.

Thanks,
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Re: Equipment Recommedations for newbie

Also may consider these speakers if still available with some Def Tech surrounds.

http://www.hometheatershack.com/foru...kers-sale.html

Anybody know much about these Def Tech vs the SVS or Infinity Primus?

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