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Re: Movie Formats: why are there so many?

Very nice setup Tony, here's mine:
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Re: Movie Formats: why are there so many?

The colored lights above the screen are a nice touch when its not being used.

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Onkyo 805, Yamaha YDP2006EQ, Samson Servo 600 amp
3 EV Sentry 500 monitors across the front, 4 Mission 762i's Surrounds, SVS PB13U sub, Panasonic BDT220, Harmony 1100, Nintendo WiiU
Panasonic PT-AE8000 on a 120" 2,35:1 fixed screen

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Sherwood/Newcastle R972, Mission 765's, SVS SBS02's, A/D/S MS3u sub, Yamaha YDG2030EQ
Yamaha KX-393 Tape deck, CDC 805 CD changer, Panasonic BD60, Sony turntable PS-T20
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Re: Movie Formats: why are there so many?

Yes, we used to have a nice, large, domed, curved screen, curved stadium seating, 70mm theater here that was "the place to go" to see a movie. Sadly, once the multi-plex's started moving in this theater began it's decline. They could no longer get the big films on opening night and eventually stopped showing new releases all together. Finally there was the re-release of the Star Wars, Empire and Jedi,... one last hurrah for the theater and then oblivion It's been sitting idle for many years now.

I suppose there are many similar stories about many similar theaters out there.

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Re: Movie Formats: why are there so many?

Every Roadshow 70mm house in NYC is gone except for The Ziegfeld. All of the Repertory
cinemas are gone too except for the Film Forum which is part time revivals. Radio City
Music Hall still exists but only for live entertainment, not movies. The 70mm Roadshow
cinemas were cetainly more spectacular than any home set up and one of the main reasons
to go the movies decades ago. I still remember the Rivoli which was my favorite theater
of all time. A deeply curved Dimension 150 screen and the projection booth on ground
level so you had a straight (rather than curved) horizon. If you sat in a center 'sweet
spot' seat, the screen wrapped around you and you were literally inside the movie. A
very spectacular experience. The problem with all curved screen houses was that standard
flat 1.85 movies didn't look good on them. Only 70mm or 35mm anamorphic prints which
limited the types of pictures they could book. Among the 70mm Roadshow
movies that played the Rivoli were "Oklahoma!" (Todd-AO 30 frames per second),
"Around the World in 80 Days" (Todd-AO 30 frames per second), "West Side
Story" (70mm), "The Sand Pebbles" (70mm blow up from 35mm Panavision negative)
"Cleopatra" (70mm) and "2001: A Space Odyssey" (1976 and 1978 re-issues in
70mm). They built an Egyptian facades for "Cleopatra" and that remained the
exterior decor until it was twinned circa 1986 and then demolished.
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Re: Movie Formats: why are there so many?

Did anybody mention "Egyptian" ?

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Re: Movie Formats: why are there so many?

I left off another process that was used for two films, "The Bible" and "Patton". It was called
"Dimension 150". It was a 70mm process similar to Todd-AO that used extremely wide angle
lenses that generated a wide depth of field. Otherwise it was a standard 70mm format with
six channel stereo sound and a 2.21 x 1 ratio. If you look at the opening shots of "Patton"
you'll see what those lenses looked like. They seem a bit distorted when shown on a flat
wide screen and play better on the curved screen they were designed for. They weren't used
for close ups and medium shots. Just the wide shots. They were very similar to the Todd AO
bug eye lens used for the travelogue shots in "Around the World in 80 Days" which also distort
the image unless they're projected on a deeply curved screen.

Both Todd AO and Dimension 150 were unique in that they were shown on combination projectors
that could play both 35mm and 70mm formats. The outer sprockets were very large and they
played 70mm prints. There were inner sprockets that were smaller that could play 35mm.
That way they only needed one type of machine in the booth. When 70mm was first introduced,
it required two new projectors and the booth became very crowded with the four machines
(2 for 35mm and 2 for 70mm). The combo machines resolved this problem. Norelco made the
Todd AO combo units and they also had the curved gate and were considered the best projectors
ever made. They are huge though.
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Re: Movie Formats: why are there so many?

This thread definitely needs to be a sticky!!

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Re: Movie Formats: why are there so many?

What's a sticky?
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A sticky is a thread that is placed on top of page and will never disappear even after long periods with no posts and newer threads.

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Re: Movie Formats: why are there so many?

I see.

Aspect ratio is often a thorny topic among film and video buffs. It gets tricky when movies
were exhibited in more than one format. For example, "Okahoma!" was originally shown in
an interlocked set up at the Rivoli. That means the soundtrack was run on a separate piece
of film and the projector showed the complete image that was photographed which was a
bit wider than 2.21 x 1. Later, they put the mag stripes on the film which reduced the size
to the standard 70mm ratio. However, it was simultaneously filmed in 35mm CinemaScope
and magnetic stereo prints were made in the 2.55 x 1 ratio without any optical track. Then
for other theaters they put on the optical track which reduced the ratio to 2.35 x 1. So what
was the 'definitive' ratio of that movie. Well technically all three were since that's how various
people saw the film, depending on what format that theater was exhibiting. SuperScope films
were shown in both the anamorphic 2 x 1 format (with black borders on the sides of the scope
image) as well as standard 1.33. There were two versions of films like "Underwater" with
Jane Russell shown in cinemas. Both could be considered definitive presentations of the movie.
A number of early CinemaScope films were shot twice too. Once for the anamorphic prints
and a separate negative that filmed the image in 1.33. "The Robe" and "Brigadoon" were among
those that had two camera negatives since a lot of theaters didn't have widescreens in the
early fifties. Very often even cable stations get this information wrong. I remember when they
were discussing letterbox on Turner classics and used "Seven Brides for Seven Brothers" as an
example of what would happen when it was pan/scanned for television as opposed to showing
the entire frame within the letterboxed image. It was a bad example because that movie was
also shot twice and it was never cropped for television. They just broadcast the 1.33 version.
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