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01-16-14 07:49 PM
Wayne A. Pflughaupt
Re: Electronics Manufacturers Scrambling to Show Consumers that 4K Content Will Arrive and Thrive


As far as I’m concerned, 4K has all the makings of a niche-market product. As informel noted, content providers aren’t even delivering the full capabilities of 1080p as it is. Ever watch NCIS? Wow, that thing looks like VHS.

Am I the only one who’s ever noticed this phenomenon with TV shows, both cable/sat and broadcast: The detail for the establishing shots is jaw-dropping, simply awesome – aerial shots of the location, and so forth. Then when they cut away to the actors, everything goes soft. The reason, I suspect, is that the actors don’t want everyone to see every little flaw in their complexion.

I have a program saved on my DirecTV DVR with “talking head” interviews that has simply jaw-dropping detail in the faces, that I’ve seldom (if ever) seen with anything I’ve watched on satellite. I’ve saved the program simply as a reference for what high-def TV programming could look like. The kicker: It’s only 720p!!

So if the content providers are “dumbing down” the programming and aren’t even giving us 1080p – what in blue blazes is the point of 4K?

Another issue is the screen size, as Mike mentioned: It’s going to take a larger screen to visibly realize the improvement 4K can bring. Sure, we like big screens, but how many people want an 85-100” TV in their living rooms? There’s a reason the market for TVs larger than 65” is fairly limited. The general public has shown time and again that they will always choose convenience over quality (Beta vs. VHS, streaming vs. blu-ray). I expect that “convenient” will also include monstrous televisions.

Lastly, I expect that lots of people are experiencing “upgrade fatigue.” It was easy enough to convince people to trade their bulky old CRTs for svelte flat screens, but I don’t see vast numbers of the public doing that for 4K - unless it delivers a huge improvement (see “content providers,” “convenience over quality,” above). They’ll probably just wait and buy one after their current TV bites the dust (assuming that 4K’s will be as cheap as regular TVs when that time comes).

Regards,
Wayne
01-16-14 12:25 PM
ellisr63
Re: Electronics Manufacturers Scrambling to Show Consumers that 4K Content Will Arrive and Thrive

Years ago I had problems with my cable just like you do with some channels looking great and others not so great... I called them up and a tech came over to figure out the problem First problem was he had to install new cable that was feeding the apartment, and second he called the office and they adjusted the problem stations for better reception!+
I was shocked that they could do this but it did solve my problem. With the number of channels now available I doubt if they would do this for more than a couple of problem channels though.
01-16-14 12:15 PM
informel
Re: Electronics Manufacturers Scrambling to Show Consumers that 4K Content Will Arrive and Thrive

my cable company cannot even deliver full 1080i quality, it does say on my receiver that it is 1080, but the signal is compress, some channel are way better than other, but before I even cconsider 4K, they will have to prove to me that it is really 4K no some pseudo highly compress signal
01-15-14 02:31 PM
Glimmie
Re: Electronics Manufacturers Scrambling to Show Consumers that 4K Content Will Arrive and Thrive

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MPEG-4 AVC (otherwise known as H.264). This is the industry’s current standard for encoding content on Blu-ray discs, not to mention compression and broadcast distribution. It replaced MPEG-2
No, MPEG 2 has not been replaced. MPEG2 is still the OTA (broadcast TV) ATSC standard. While most satellite and cable companies now use MPEG 4 for distribution the USA broadcast infrastructure (Canada and Mexico as well) is still MPEG 2. What has been replaced is NTSC. And FWEIW, standard DVD is still MPEG2.

To change the ATSC standard would require an act of congress - literally. yeah, yeah, ATSC2, ATSC3, but these are merely proposals. They are a long way from becoming a standard if ever.

IMPO, and I work in the broadcast industry, OTA broadcasting will disappear* before 4K is ever a consideration. 4K distribution will be mostly internet delivered. Even with satellite and cable there is still limitations on the number of 4K channels that could be carried even with MPEG5. Remember they still have to support at least 1080i for a long time to come.

*And if you think that's ridiculous, consider that both CBS and FOX have already threatened to go strictly cable/satellite based to get around the age old "free" commercial supported broadcast model the government requires of OTA television.
01-15-14 01:13 PM
Andre
Re: Electronics Manufacturers Scrambling to Show Consumers that 4K Content Will Arrive and Thrive

I will wait....As soon as Wal Mart starts selling 120" OLED screens I think the tech will be mature enough...
01-15-14 12:46 PM
Todd Anderson
Re: Electronics Manufacturers Scrambling to Show Consumers that 4K Content Will Arrive and Thrive

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Mike0206 wrote: View Post
All I know is there will be many a sales on the current crop of plasmas if UHD sets become more affordable in the next few months. I for one would be seriously looking into a 65" ZT60. 4k content will still be expensive for a while and I'm still of the opinion that it's gonna be hard to notice a difference in screen sizes 70" and under, maybe even bigger, from 1080p to 4k.
All very true. One can only sit so close to a display... at normal seating distances it will be hard to tell a difference. We can't change the very nature of our own eye capabilities!
01-15-14 10:01 AM
Mike0206 All I know is there will be many a sales on the current crop of plasmas if UHD sets become more affordable in the next few months. I for one would be seriously looking into a 65" ZT60. 4k content will still be expensive for a while and I'm still of the opinion that it's gonna be hard to notice a difference in screen sizes 70" and under, maybe even bigger, from 1080p to 4k.
01-15-14 09:41 AM
Dwight Angus
Re: Electronics Manufacturers Scrambling to Show Consumers that 4K Content Will Arrive and Thrive

Not sure how this is going to play out but until 4K content is readily & easily accessible at a fair price I will continue to focus on making improvements on the audio side of things.
01-14-14 01:42 PM
tripplej
Re: Electronics Manufacturers Scrambling to Show Consumers that 4K Content Will Arrive and Thrive

I will wait till OTA reception is 4K or UltraHD.. Till then I am on the sidelines so to speak.
01-14-14 11:34 AM
tonyvdb
Re: Electronics Manufacturers Scrambling to Show Consumers that 4K Content Will Arrive and Thrive

I sure hope this does not turn into another Bluray vs HD DVD format battle.
I still am very skeptical of the compression causing big time quality loss for streaming purposes. It will be the same as streaming 1080p right now. the quality is lousy when viewed on larger displays.
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