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01-18-14 01:30 PM
antoninus9
Re: JBL 4412: The Holy Grail of Audio

Hi tonyvdb,

No, the post was intended as a follow-up to a previous poster, but you're more than welcome to join the discussion. :-)

I doubt the 4412 would sound as good as what you have. I didn't claim the 4412 was the best speaker of them all, but that it's impact as a very popular studio monitor continues to impact many recordings to this day.

It may help to understand that while I own a pair of 4412s, they are not my main speaker system, and are only used for testing.

I'll edit and update my blog post with additional information to clarify this.
01-18-14 11:59 AM
tonyvdb
Re: JBL 4412: The Holy Grail of Audio

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Now, if I replaced your present speakers with any pair of small studio monitors, like the 4412, do you agree that your system would sound different?
Not sure if this is directed to me but yes of course it would. And it very well may not sound as good as what I have now. That is why room treatment, auto room correction like Audyessey is important.
01-18-14 11:58 AM
lcaillo
Re: JBL 4412: The Holy Grail of Audio

If I replaced your car with a Ford 150, probably the most popular truck of all time, would it drive differently? Of course. What is your real point?



01-18-14 11:54 AM
antoninus9
Re: JBL 4412: The Holy Grail of Audio

Now, if I replaced your present speakers with any pair of small studio monitors, like the 4412, do you agree that your system would sound different?
01-18-14 11:54 AM
tonyvdb
Re: JBL 4412: The Holy Grail of Audio

I agree that the 4412 may very well be a great speaker but speaker choice is as much a personal choice as a searching for a girlfriend, everyone has their own idea of what is perfect. Adjustable crossovers is nothing new in the pro industry and JBL is not the only company offering that.
01-18-14 11:45 AM
lcaillo
Re: JBL 4412: The Holy Grail of Audio

Of course it will. Not my point. My point is that adjustable crossovers are not going to correct that. It might to your satisfaction, but not to mine. I would still prefer to listen to either, assuming I liked the material, on speakers other than the JBL, and I would not be adjusting the crossover on every recording if I did own them. Variance in recordings is just part of the world of audio. I don't move my speakers for every different recording either, nor adjust equalization or tone controls.



01-18-14 11:42 AM
antoninus9
Re: JBL 4412: The Holy Grail of Audio

Let's say for example that we have a recording of a piano made in a church. It is sent to two different recording studios to be equalized and mastered. The first studio has some cheap PC speakers, and equalizes the recording using them. The other studio has full range studio monitors. Do you agree that the final product will sound different when played back through your own speakers?
01-18-14 11:31 AM
lcaillo
Re: JBL 4412: The Holy Grail of Audio

Your post required wading through a great deal of praise of the JBL and your statements about it being the most significant speaker of all time. While it is true that the equalization of any recording is affected by the vision, preferences, and studio monitor presentation of the recording, there is much more to great sound than just crossover levels and crude equalization.

There are as many variables to what makes a speaker a good choice for an individual as there are in a recording path. Then placement, room characteristics, and associated equipment as well. Your case that adjustable crossovers are of such great value just does not resonate with me. Sorry.



01-18-14 11:23 AM
antoninus9
Re: JBL 4412: The Holy Grail of Audio

I must have written the post very poorly. It's not about the virtues of the 4412, or how it's an amazing speaker. It's about how the studio setup and equalization affects recordings, and how that audiophiles try to compensate for this through different speaker systems.

In short, the source material is the source of many problems, and changing the speakers and/or applying room correction won't fix this.

The 4412 offers an easy and inexpensive way to experience this.

A good reference book on this is 'Handbook for Sound Engineers' edited by Glen Ballou.
01-18-14 11:17 AM
lcaillo
Re: JBL 4412: The Holy Grail of Audio

I would agree that there are attrocious sounding $10,000 and up speakers that I might just as soon have the JBLs over, but I think you very much overstate its value. A decent speaker, but nothing exceptional. Just reliable and well known sound. I doubt that they would be the first choice for most audio engineers or producers.

I would rate several other speakers as being more significant, like the LS35a or the AR 3a, or KLH 9. And being able to adjust the crossover to vary response is not, to me, as valuable as lower distortion levels, which many current speakers seem to be characterized by. The JBL is not so glorious in this regard.



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