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post #21 of 261 Old 03-26-13, 04:06 PM
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Advise taken, I am using 1/2 space sim in hornresp, so I assumed that would be close to in room...?

Yes and no.

Most reasonably sized rooms will have a bit of reflection reinforcement i the nether regions.

It really starts to get useful below thirty hertz. You get about 3 db here, and usually about 6 to 8 at 20 hertz.

Below this you are really working in the pressure field, as in the room is much to small to create a reflected true to length wave of the sounds. So you get even more reinforcement. At 16 hertz a great many studies have shown that there is about ten plus db of room gain.

Now for the good/bad news. Not very much program material has large peaks down that low. It's mostly higher harmonics or multiples of the low frequency fundamental notes.

Even nasty pipe organs are not that killer down low. A few are, and I have the recordings to show them off.

Some movies to have the odd bit of thunder.

SO what does this have to do with your box design?

You can reduce the size but not the path length and create a design that will produce what you want in room.

If you are really keen on getting this right there is a fairly simple method you can use if you have a measurement microphone and REW.

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Reasonably close to Ottawa is I.

Great! basement. I luvs designing for basements.

You will have room reinforcement up to your teeth.

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Next little bit of advice.

Don't worry a whole bunch over the group delay effects. ( sorry chrapladm )

I have done quite a few horn loaded subs that should have had built in echo according to the naysayers. But the effects are very difficult to hear in the low end. Horns done well have vanishingly low distortion. In fact I have yet to have heard one that I found to be problematic in any way.

My background is in music by the way, I played in the brass section, and still can tune by ear an instrument I have not regularly picked up in 26 years. And I'm very picky in terms of quality of bass reproduction. I have heard most everything live and remember exactly what it sounds like. It's what drove me to start designing speakers in the first place!

Last bit of advice. Your ULF sub would be better as a FLH (front loaded horn) I can always tell the sound of a tapped horn. I never really enjoy them.

Why?

They tend to sound like vented boxes. A bit whooly on the low end. If you like that then it is you ticket to happy ville.

Last bit of advice. And this is a pat on the back at the same time.

Trust Hornresp if the following conditions have been met:

You have tested your drivers and are using the measured parameters as input to Hornresp.

You build exactly what you sim ( your folds look great )

Brace brace and brace some more. Horns are high pressure devices and the highest pressures are closest to the cones.

Then you will be grinning ear to ear.

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Thanks for the input. I can redesign them for sure. I have not heard a tapperd horn before, but I do prefer the sound of a sealed sub over a vented sub anyday.

I will resim the ULF subs.
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If you can measure there is a fairly simple way to measure your rooms gain. ( transfer function )

You need a sealed sub and the ability to EQ it flat. You do this outside. As in measure and EQ it outside.

You don't have to be loud as all get out. What you need to be is louder than the rooms basic noise level. Fairly easy.

Play the same signal inside and measure the difference.

If you are using REW it will be fairly easy to see the difference using a multiple response curve graph.

Once you know what you have in terms of room gain you can design accordingly for your ULF horn. And then enjoy.

Tapped horn refers to the larger of your three horns.

The drivers tap the horn at a point other than the beginning only. This secondary tapped point creates a rise in the response usually at the third harmonic and higher.

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this design not applicable anymore

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A beginning.

You could drop a little more if you want.

I have done a sub that is pretty much what works well. It is in this section of the forum under ultimate subwoofer.

You are using the eminence 10 for this?

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No its a dayton classic 4 ohm. I will check out your build.
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Revised ULF Sub, using 1 - 12" Driver.
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Not bad. How large is your box?

And did you consider a LAB 12?

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