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post #21 of 25 Old 05-30-14, 06:39 PM Thread Starter
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It's the tech that's used in the extenders now. You'll see rollout in the coming years and with LED using so little power HTBaseT uses POE!
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It's the tech that's used in the extenders now. You'll see rollout in the coming years and with LED using so little power HTBaseT uses POE!
Yes, but the HDBaseT hurdle to leap is cost. There are cheaper solutions now, much cheaper. It's got a ways to go downward. Getting HDBaseT in device will certainly happen, though. Then my dream may come true..the end of HDMI's blight on humanity.
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Yes, but the HDBaseT hurdle to leap is cost. There are cheaper solutions now, much cheaper. It's got a ways to go downward. Getting HDBaseT in device will certainly happen, though. Then my dream may come true..the end of HDMI's blight on humanity.
The issue that DHBaseT is up against is all the cable companies and retailers who are making bank on HDMI sales. If that revenue stream dried up you'd see more markup on core gear. TVs margin has eroded down to nothing so IMO that's the major hurdle they have to contend with.

That said, HDMI has gotten much better over the years and while handshake issues still come up yet are far less frequent. It wasn't that long ago that some brands wouldn't play nice together with HDMI.
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The issue that DHBaseT is up against is all the cable companies and retailers who are making bank on HDMI sales. If that revenue stream dried up you'd see more markup on core gear. TVs margin has eroded down to nothing so IMO that's the major hurdle they have to contend with.
Hmmm. An interesting idea. But in reality HDMI is here because studios really wanted another means of copy protection. Releasing material that could be easily digitally cloned with a simple cable had them all pretty freaked. HDMI took care of that with HDCP. Otherwise, we had a single-cable audio-video solution already: Firewire. Yes, it needed to be bumped up a bit. SDI was also already there, and really simple: a single 75 ohm coax, though technically not a single cable interface. But no HDCP on either. Hence, an industry "consortium" push for HDMI.

I don't see cable companies and retailers driving HDMI as a core tech. It's there because it got standardized, and there was no competition. It's cheap, in part, because it propagated. The same thing could happen with HDBaseT, but it's got a big hurdle to get it propagated, and that is a well-established interface, HDMI. To beat HDMI it has to be nearly as ubiquitous, and that would mean transition product with both interfaces, which is even more expensive. I dunno, I'd like to see HDBaseT win, but it's second-in, and expensive. Not sure how long that might take.
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That said, HDMI has gotten much better over the years and while handshake issues still come up yet are far less frequent. It wasn't that long ago that some brands wouldn't play nice together with HDMI.
Well, better, yes, good, no. HDMI problems still represent the greatest percentage of our service calls, right behind storm damage. There are no affordable diagnostic tools for the field tech, and people insist on burying HDMI cables in their walls without raceway. Do that with an active cable, and you're in for a pricy problem when it fails. And, so far, we've seen active cables fail a lot. If the cable buried in the wall was just wire, not active, it wouldn't fail.
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Yes I agree with how HDMI came about. But I'm expressing why it is not going anywhere soon.

Guess I've been lucky with my installs. Failed cables represent a very low % of our redos... this starts to get into price points. I'm not about to debate picture/sound quality in a digital cable. There's very little to be said (that horse has been beaten to death.) but build quality absolutely does matter. If the cable is going into the walk then a well made CL rated cable is the right choice. We sell AQ cables, I never spec one over 25' any longer I'm using Atlona extenders and so far failed cables haven't really been an issue. I do make it a point to put conduit in any time I wont be able to get to the wire later. Really the only times I'm seeing cable failure is when it's in a place that has an articulating mount and then we simply zip tie the cables with some slack to the arm.
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