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Find Crossover of 3-Way Passive Speakers?

Is it possible to use measure with REW,
in order to find what the crossover frequencies of a Passive 3-Way speaker are?
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Is it possible to use measure with REW,
in order to find what the crossover frequencies of a Passive 3-Way speaker are?
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REW has the required measurement capabilities but the problem is to be able to play each individual drivers at the same time. Do you have 3 pairs of binding posts at the back? Otherwise it may still be feasible but more complicated. Please report back and we'll see.
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Re: Find Crossover of 3-Way Passive Speakers?

You can do this by placing the mic very close to the speaker ie about an inch away and run the sweeps.
It may not be perfect but should allow you to determine the crossover points.

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Re: Find Crossover of 3-Way Passive Speakers?

Thanks for the response.
Sony SS-B3000 bookshelf speakers.
Crossover not in specs and Sony support has no clue.
No three sets of binding post.

We can get as technical as it takes.
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You can do this by placing the mic very close to the speaker ie about an inch away and run the sweeps.
It may not be perfect but should allow you to determine the crossover points.
I get what your saying. Will attempt tomorrow. Not sure how accurate it will be.

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Re: Find Crossover of 3-Way Passive Speakers?

SPL in REW was calibrated @ 90dB was set from the 8" woofer using Pink Noise generator in REW.
No level changes or recalibration from speaker to speaker, same level kept.
Using ECM8000 (Waiting on UMIK-1)
1" from each cone. Woofer, Mid, Tweet
Attempted using Armacell 1"thick closed cell foam to isolate each cone
from the adjacent, not much change in measurement/no interference from
adjacent speaker.
On side for easy measurement without mic boom height change.
Regardless of smoothing, x-over points are at same locations.
What can you make from this?

Even if I fully cover the midrange with Armacell closed cell foam,
flat against box, same trace on tweeter.


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The absolute best way to measure would be to disconnect two of the drivers at a time.

That said, assuming the blue trace is the midrange, it’s curious and unusual that the midrange and tweeter overlap across a one-octave range between 4-8 kHz. The woofer low pass appears to have ~12 dB/octave slope, while the tweeter and mid appear to have ~18 dB/octave slopes.

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The absolute best way to measure would be to disconnect two of the drivers at a time.
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That said, assuming the blue trace is the midrange, it’s curious and unusual that the midrange and tweeter overlap across a one-octave range between 4-8 kHz.
Agree that the blue curve should logically be the midrange but you also get a lot of the tweeter’s response in the blue curve since the tweeter is omnidirectional at these frequencies (ka < 2 at 4kHz). This is likely why both curves are parallel in that range, too. All levels being equal, the upper frequency driver will always “leak” more into the lower frequency driver’s measurement than the opposite (since the larger driver starts to “beam” at some frequency). My guess is the crossover is minimal.

In the OP's curves you see a lot these summations - one way to spot them is by looking at the differences between curves to see if they are correlated (if you see two parallel curves with the same ripples they are likely interactions). The unknown (relative) phase and delay makes it tricky… maybe the phase would be telling something.
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Re: Find Crossover of 3-Way Passive Speakers?

Just ordered UMIK-1 Minidsp usb mic.
Something is up with my ECM8000.
Once I recieve it, will retest. Then test each driver seperately.
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