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post #51 of 124 Old 07-26-15, 05:31 PM Thread Starter
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Re: HTS Two-Channel Speaker Setup Guide for a Deep Soundstage

The only explanation I can think of is that those who recommend the - I think you meant equilateral triangle, beg pardon if I misunderstood - have never HEARD a truly great soundstage, which is far more engaging than good frequency response on its own.

I am tickled that you have had such success! Thanks for the feedback.
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Re: HTS Two-Channel Speaker Setup Guide for a Deep Soundstage

Your are right, I meant equilateral triangle.
Like I said on an other thread, I am passionnate about listenning music since I am 15. At 25 I had a very good 2 channels sound system. I got married, 5 children later, no time for music; I sold it. And 6 years ago I went back to sound with HT downstairs and a 2 channels upstairs for music (not as good as the old one but quite respectfull Arcam amp, Arcam cd player and middle range B&W). I have always respected the equilateral triangle rule for the fronts thinking that it was the only way to get a good stage image.
...but now I am in NHL!!
I thank you very much to share all your research on this forum. If it was only for this change in my settings I would have been more than happy .
Wow!
...(again, forgive my english.)
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Sorry posted incorrectly.

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Re: HTS Two-Channel Speaker Setup Guide for a Deep Soundstage

So I was reading this article linked from Home Theater Review, and it reminded me of this thread and the quest for superb soundstage and imaging. As I read about his experience with his soundstage falling apart, I immediately thought of Wayne and his patience in getting things set up just so for a fantastic result. Very small differences in speaker placement can make a big difference in SS&I, and this guy found that out. Interesting read.
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Re: HTS Two-Channel Speaker Setup Guide for a Deep Soundstage

Look at page 5, 6 ,7, 8

http://www.dynaudio.com/media/1923/dyn_focus_manual.pdf

This can also be useful http://www.focal.com/usa/en/content/571-focal-tools

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Re: HTS Two-Channel Speaker Setup Guide for a Deep Soundstage

Thanks for the link and the heads up.

The Dynaudio instructions are typical of the recommendations usually given, and in my experience are not even a particularly good starting point for most speakers. That includes the Dynaudio speakers we evaluated in our Official $2,500 Speaker Evaluation / Home Audition Event.
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Thanks for the link and the heads up. The Dynaudio instructions are typical of the recommendations usually given, and in my experience are not even a particularly good starting point for most speakers. That includes the Dynaudio speakers we evaluated in our Official $2,500 Speaker Evaluation / Home Audition Event.
OK, so what are the best instruction I want to learn

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Although this guide is badly in need of an update, it is my best first shot at a setup guide that puts soundstage and imaging first, if that is your goal.
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Question...

We have a 15' wide AT screen with our speakers behind it...with the horns being 3' wide each (Bass Bins are almost 5' wide, and are under the Horns) for our LCR. I currently have the L+R each angled to the MLP. The room sounds great but I usually listen to it from the 2nd row even though it was tuned from the first row.

The last few days I have been listening from the MLP, and noticed that the imaging moves when I go to get up, as does the tonality. Since my speakers are so wide, and take up the whole wall...would it be better to not angle the speakers?

I am thinking that since the first row seating is 12', and the 2nd row 17' that the sound stage might go wider if I do not angle them. If it does make the sound stage wider will it also make it less deep? All of my speakers are horns, or horn loaded including the subs.

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I've owned decent mid-range speakers since I was a young man way back in the fifties and I've always set them up using the speaker placement that virtually every speaker manufacturer recommended; the equilateral triangle. That is, until I started reading some of the speaker shootout material here at HTS. The first thing I noticed was that all of the speakers were setup wider and nearer to the primary listening position than I'd ever seen before. That, coupled with Wayne's excellent articles on speaker placement, got me thinking "What do you have to lose? Try some of these recommendations." Fortunately, I have the luxury of doing whatever I want (can afford) in my media room and so pulling speakers out to what appears to be the center of the room is no problem. The wife has her space and I have mine.

And so began the lengthy process of moving my Ascend Sierras slowly out into the room, moving them wider and wider and nearer and nearer to the my primary seat in fraction of an inch increments. I'll admit I began to get a little alarmed as they encroached on the room more and more. Still, there was no denying the fact that they were sounding better and better. My old standard of looking for great response soon gave way to the terrific soundstage and imaging I was hearing. By the way; as I set them wider and wider I was constantly worrying about a "hole in the middle" of the stereo image but it never happened. The stage was spread cleanly across the front and instruments and sections were exactly where they should be.

The sound of a symphony orchestra, played through a setup like this, was fantastic, with the soundstage spread wide beyond the speakers, and with pinpoint imaging. Frankly, I stopped focusing on frequency response because it was just there. The downside is that many old vinyl rock recordings were engineered so badly as to be nearly a joke, with no attempt at proper stereo imaging. But that's okay! Classical music is where I am now and I listen to little else.

And by the way; the $1,000 speaker shootout led me to my present Martin-Logan Motion 12s (many thanks to the guys involved) and, like the shootout noted, properly setup they sound wonderful! In spite of their fairly small size they do dominate the room. Ahhhh....but the sound! The Cleveland Orchestra never sounded better.

I'll admit I initially positioned them in the time-honored triangle but it didn't take long for me to realize what I was missing. At that point they began their slow, inch by inch, journey out into the room. The wife still watches TV and movies (when I'm not listening to music) and she can only shake her head, completely puzzled, at my setup. Me? I can only laugh. It was her deal when we bought this house; if she got a craft room the media room was MINE! I couldn't be happier with her arrangement.

All this is to say tha speaker manufacturer placement recommendations are compromizes that try (unsuccessfully in my view) to fit into every listening space. My Motions, placed where Martin-Logan recommended, sound just OK, nothing more. But, after working with them a day or two they now sound great. I couldn't ask for better sound within my budget.

So, my recommendation is to first con your wife into giving you free rein to setup your two-channel system however you want. How do you do that? Quid pro quo! Man! Promise her something nice if she'll remain quiet while you fill the center of your room with speakers. Nothing to it!

My music system is fairly basic:

Denon AVR3313ci AVR
Martin-Logan Motion 12 L/R
Epik Vanquish 12" sealed subwoofer

And my newest favorite: Plex Music Server (my entire music library burned to flac files)

Funny? I didn't mention and I don't listen to surround sound hardly at all anymore, except for my Sony Blu Ray player and it's good 5-channel or 7-channel sound. For me, two-channel fills the room beautifully without augmentation. And that's what careful main speaker placement has done for me.

I'm a happy old man!

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