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Video Experts Along with the Attending Audience Will Evaluate the Newest Flagship HD Panels
To Answer The Question: Which Manufacturer Makes the Best Flat Panel HDTV?

Day One, Saturday, May 19, 2012 5:00 PM
Day Two, Sunday, May 20, 2012 1:00 PM

Value Electronics 108 Garth Rd, Scarsdale, NY 10583

Direct 914-723-3344 or 800-789-5050

To attend in person email Robert Zohn:
[email protected] and put in the subject line, Flat Panel Shootout Request

Displays in the evaluation:
Plasma models, Panasonic TC-P65VT50, Samsung PN64E8000, LG 60PM9700 LCD/LED models, Panasonic TC-L55WT50, Samsung UN60ES8000, Elite PRO-60X5FD, LG 60LM9600, and possibly Toshiba's new Cinema 55L7200 and Sony's XBR-65HX929.

Plus one or possibly even two surprise displays!

Seating will be limited and is exclusively available by email request. This is a private event for a/v enthusiast, the press and select invited industry experts and executives. Send your email request now if you are interested in learning about video technology and seeing first hand the world's best displays on one Shootout wall with our panel of distinguished experts doing the live review evaluation! The Flat Panel Shootout will also be available Online on both days. (Saturday & Sunday). The web address and logon info will be posted as soon as they are confirmed.

The Flat Panel Shootout will present this years newest displays from the leading manufacturers. The event will be a completely unbiased assessment of all the panels represented. The displays will be connected to a dedicated 20 amp circuit and a Richard Gray power conditioner. The HDMI cables are all 16' Key Digital Black Bull so all will be on a equal playing field.

Factory reps from Panasonic, Samsung, LG and Sharp's Elite group (and if Toshiba and Sony are included their reps will present their respective products) will present their panels, and make a presentation explaining their features and latest developments. Plus we have some Industry VIPs and some of the most highly respected video development engineers will be attending and presenting on the future of flat panel display technologies.

The Online live feed will be broadcast in HD and will allow viewers to submit questions which will be moderated by our staff a/v techs and select questions will be read out loud for our panel of experts to answer in realtime.

Check back often to this thread for updates.

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Sounds good. We got the Samsung plasmas 50 and 59 for displays sent to us. Both seem to have issues with their component inputs. Will you be checking all input methods or just hdmi?
Robert Zohn said:
Thanks for bring up the issue and yes I'll check the component video inputs. Our PN51E8000 and PN51E6500 showroom demo display component video inputs work perfectly.

Good to hear. It just strikes me as odd that both displays would have the same issue
Can you take us through your evaluation method?

Also can you ask each of the reps to clearly explain what exactly their branded features do. That is clear explanations of "live color" "black correction" etc...?
DJG said:
You mean translate Marketese into English ...
Could you please report on video lag for us gamers. It really would be great.
Robert Zohn said:
Gregr, actually I believe Vizio makes a great TV and the value is excellent. But this Flat Panel HDTV Shootout is strictly limited to the very best flagship models from the premium manufacturers. At this moment I can't tell you the names of the premium TV manufacturers' who did not make the cut and will not even have their premium flagship display included in the Shootout.

At Sears, Walmart and Sam's Club you only see the low end entry level TVs, and some are exclusive to the retailer. Also the TVs in those stores are set to the store demo mode, which is the worst viewing mode. So I think that may be some of the reason you are not seeing as good a picture that you experience in your home with subdued ambient light and a TV that has been properly set-up.

If you put any of these panels on our Shootout wall and it would be embarrassing for the manufacturer.

Sorry no Vizio in this event. But it would be nice to see Vizio beat the pants off of many of the big boys entry to mid level displays.

That's the nicest I've ever seen that put. Cudos to you sir.
I'd love to view your live feed but I may be working at the time. If not I plan to watch the video once posted.

But please please can you make sure that you get the reps to explain their "unique features" and take us through what they do. Not so much with live color and such that only effect WB (negatively) but more their film modes, and tweaks to frame rates, ie judder reduction and the like.

Thanks I know this like previous shoot outs will be referenced often in the year to come.
I missed the shootout. Did gaming lag get any attention?
Will the Sony 900A be included in the shoot out?
Robert if you don't mind could you post a tentative list of the TVs that will be appearing in the shoutout and what if any special scoring will be done between the one plasma, led, oled, and if 4k/UHD will be its own class?
Robert, I would like to know if OLED would have the same problems as regular LCD displays which has that "soap opera" effect. Does OLED produce the same film-like picture quality as plasma displays? Does OLED pretty much did away with all the problems that LCD displays (and plasmas for that matter) have?
I'll chime in here.

OLED pro:
Deep deep black levels, blacker than even plasma.
Strikingly bright whites, they rival led.

OLED con:
Yes you have longevity issues, like CRT and plasma they can retain an image and will dim over time, but let's be honest this really isn't as much of an issue as people make it out to be.

It's still an LCD screen over an oled backlight in the case of LG (not sure about samsung, but they've opted to exit the market for now).

They are still prohibitively expensive. With traditional led displays getting better every model year it will be while before they can match the price point decline we're seeing in led.

Just my 2¢.
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