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8th ANNUAL FLAT PANEL SHOOT-OUT
8th ANNUAL FLAT PANEL SHOOT-OUT
AT VALUE ELECTRONICS IN SCARSDALE, NY
Video Experts Along with the Attending Audience Will Evaluate the Newest Flagship HD Panels
To Answer The Question: Which Manufacturer Makes the Best Flat Panel HDTV?
AT VALUE ELECTRONICS IN SCARSDALE, NY
Video Experts Along with the Attending Audience Will Evaluate the Newest Flagship HD Panels
To Answer The Question: Which Manufacturer Makes the Best Flat Panel HDTV?
Schedule:
Day One, Saturday, May 19, 2012 5:00 PM
Day Two, Sunday, May 20, 2012 1:00 PM
Place:
Value Electronics 108 Garth Rd, Scarsdale, NY 10583
Phone:
Direct 914-723-3344 or 800-789-5050
To attend in person email Robert Zohn:
[email protected] and put in the subject line, Flat Panel Shootout Request
Displays in the evaluation:
Plasma models, Panasonic TC-P65VT50, Samsung PN64E8000, LG 60PM9700 LCD/LED models, Panasonic TC-L55WT50, Samsung UN60ES8000, Elite PRO-60X5FD, LG 60LM9600, and possibly Toshiba's new Cinema 55L7200 and Sony's XBR-65HX929.
Plus one or possibly even two surprise displays!
Seating will be limited and is exclusively available by email request. This is a private event for a/v enthusiast, the press and select invited industry experts and executives. Send your email request now if you are interested in learning about video technology and seeing first hand the world's best displays on one Shootout wall with our panel of distinguished experts doing the live review evaluation! The Flat Panel Shootout will also be available Online on both days. (Saturday & Sunday). The web address and logon info will be posted as soon as they are confirmed.
The Flat Panel Shootout will present this years newest displays from the leading manufacturers. The event will be a completely unbiased assessment of all the panels represented. The displays will be connected to a dedicated 20 amp circuit and a Richard Gray power conditioner. The HDMI cables are all 16' Key Digital Black Bull so all will be on a equal playing field.
Factory reps from Panasonic, Samsung, LG and Sharp's Elite group (and if Toshiba and Sony are included their reps will present their respective products) will present their panels, and make a presentation explaining their features and latest developments. Plus we have some Industry VIPs and some of the most highly respected video development engineers will be attending and presenting on the future of flat panel display technologies.
The Online live feed will be broadcast in HD and will allow viewers to submit questions which will be moderated by our staff a/v techs and select questions will be read out loud for our panel of experts to answer in realtime.
Check back often to this thread for updates.
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No, we follow the TV manufacturers' model year introduction. Last year we had delays due to the mid-year introduction of the Elite TV and we had a slight further delay due to Kevin's illness.The 7th Annual shootout was October last year - is this becoming a semi-annual shootout Robert?
-Robert
I've considered this every year. Here's my reservations. First is that I believe it's a Samsung pdp with Runco chassis and electronics plus the outboard scalier. Second, the market is so very small for a $10k 63" pdp that I feel the even a/v enthusiasts interests is very limited. The Flat Panel Shootout is geared towards enthusiasts and I am attending the Runco dealer meeting next Tuesday morning to discuss this as we are considering putting the Runco 63" pdp in the Shootout.Does anyone else think it's too bad Runco doesn't get in on this? I've been curious how they compare for a long time and you just don't hear much concrete about them. It would be interesting to get them on the floor as a level set....
Stay tuned for one or two surprise displays to be included in the evaluation.
-Robert
It's best to leave this to Kevin Miller to answer, but the very brief answer is Kevin goes through a series of generated test patterns and examples of actual video content as he explains how to interpret the patterns related to each of the four attributes that contribute to picture quality. The Shootout runs for about 5 hours of mostly video technical teaching and evaluation as we have the attending audience vote on each of the picture quality attributes to determine who make the world's best display.Robert,
Can you take us through your evaluation method?
Also can you ask each of the reps to clearly explain what exactly their branded features do. That is clear explanations of "live color" "black correction" etc...?
-Robert
Well, to me it's not really a matter of whether or not the average enthusiast could afford to be interested in a Runco. It a question of what we can learn from Runco technology. What deficiencies of the Panasonic/Samsung processing does the Runco expose? What if the vt50 actually has a better picture than the Runco? If we don't compare how can we learn?I've considered this every year. Here's my reservations. First is that I believe it's a Samsung pdp with Runco chassis and electronics plus the outboard scalier. Second, the market is so very small for a $10k 63" pdp that I feel the even a/v enthusiasts interests is very limited. The Flat Panel Shootout is geared towards enthusiasts and I am attending the Runco dealer meeting next Tuesday morning to discuss this as we are considering putting the Runco 63" pdp in the Shootout.
Roy
There are wall space limitations as well, which was maxed out last year.
I understand and because I feel you have a good point we are carefully considering it. Here's the few things the Runco or any other panel would have to pass and that is.Well, to me it's not really a matter of whether or not the average enthusiast could afford to be interested in a Runco. It a question of what we can learn from Runco technology. What deficiencies of the Panasonic/Samsung processing does the Runco expose? What if the vt50 actually has a better picture than the Runco? If we don't compare how can we learn?
Roy
1. The very excellent scalar that comes with the panel, when properly set-up, gives the Runco a very distinct advantage in the final picture and if you put a quality scalar in front of any of the other panels, the performance would also greatly improve. So in my way of thinking the Runco looses its "potentially better" pq advantage to the scalar and since a scalar is not being used on the other panels, it's simply an unfair test and way too complicated to figure out to everyone's satisfaction than it's actually worth.
2. Now that I brought out the value and how it appeals to the biggest possible "a/v enthusiast" market segment, price points north of $10k have a very limited interest when compared to displays in the $2.5k to 4.5k price range.
Regarding learning something from other suppliers I think the best lesson we would get is that it's smart to consider adding an external video processor in front of your display.
-Robert
We can actually perfectly fit up to eight 65" flat panels on the Flat Panel Shootout wall and one more up to 80" on the adjacent wall with a very good viewing position to the Shootout wall. At our October 2011 Shootout you might remember I had my personal PRO-141FD behind the western wall mural and that it was in good view of the Shootout wall. This year that location will hide one of our surprise displays!There are wall space limitations as well, which was maxed out last year.
-Robert
Wouldn't that qualification be negligible if the source is a high quality Blu-ray outputting 1080p? The recommendation for calibrated viewing is normally "dot-by-dot" mode so wouldn't that be an apples-to-apples comparison even for the Runco?1. The very excellent scalar that comes with the panel, when properly set-up, gives the Runco a very distinct advantage in the final picture and if you put a quality scalar in front of any of the other panels, the performance would also greatly improve. So in my way of thinking the Runco looses its "potentially better" pq advantage to the scalar and since a scalar is not being used on the other panels, it's simply an unfair test and way too complicated to figure out to everyone's satisfaction than it's actually worth.
Could you please report on video lag for us gamers. It really would be great.
No because Runco's outboard video processor is not just a scalar it has gray scale, gamma and other picture adjustments to enhance the image quality.Wouldn't that qualification be negligible if the source is a high quality Blu-ray outputting 1080p? The recommendation for calibrated viewing is normally "dot-by-dot" mode so wouldn't that be an apples-to-apples comparison even for the Runco?
We're carefully considering it and as I said we have a meeting with Runco this coming Tuesday.
-Robert
This year's event has developed a ton of interest among trade and consumer publications. We sent our press releases out this morning and Big Picture Big Sound is the first to break the story with feature article on their home page today.
The excitement is building very quickly!
-Robert
The excitement is building very quickly!
-Robert
Twice Magazine is covering our Flat Panel HDTV Shootout event and wrote a nice story in today's edition. Take a look and tweet and like it so we get the most exposure possible.
The press is heating up and now CEPRO released their Latest News on the home page featuring our Shootout event.
Don't miss these very excellent articles!
Enjoy!
-Robert
The press is heating up and now CEPRO released their Latest News on the home page featuring our Shootout event.
Don't miss these very excellent articles!
Enjoy!
-Robert
Excitement is building, a lot of interest has been garnered by industry and consumers to see and learn of the various new panels and any advancements, image-wise vs Apps.
Thank You Robert, and your staff.
Thank You Robert, and your staff.
Thanks for doing this once again Robert, it is always very informative. Why no VX300?
Thanks Riz and Gimp.
I'm considering Panasonic's VX300. It may be in the Flat Panel Shootout.
As you know I LOVE doing this every year and I become more excited with every Shootout. Best of all is enjoying the years of work we do and being an integral part of helping the manufacturers advance the picture quality that we all enjoy so very much.
This year's displays have all improved in the form/fit/design, all image quality attributes are greatly improved as is the Smart Internet application rich interactivity.
Today's very modern displays deliver a stunning picture and is so much fun... it's the new center of very awesome entertainment.
-Robert
I'm considering Panasonic's VX300. It may be in the Flat Panel Shootout.
As you know I LOVE doing this every year and I become more excited with every Shootout. Best of all is enjoying the years of work we do and being an integral part of helping the manufacturers advance the picture quality that we all enjoy so very much.
This year's displays have all improved in the form/fit/design, all image quality attributes are greatly improved as is the Smart Internet application rich interactivity.
Today's very modern displays deliver a stunning picture and is so much fun... it's the new center of very awesome entertainment.
-Robert
My first allocation of VT50s are in-route to us!
Just in time to do a proper break-in and pre-Shootout evaluation. :yay2:
-Robert
Just in time to do a proper break-in and pre-Shootout evaluation. :yay2:
-Robert
Robert,
Ya know my 10yr+ 32" Vizio displays 1080p all day long and except for times I have not used "Screen Saver" I have a great picture. My Dad had a Sales and Service for almost 30yrs he sold and serviced a lot of RCA TV's. I remember the Tv's used to get the degousing hoop to help break in the screen and bring out better color. No need today and especially when OLED finally hits the big screen (I don't know what the hold up is except money for old technology (they want 100 trillion in profit and have only made 10trillion), maybe you and I can talk about this sometime.).
In any case I adjusted the color to my specific needs and the fact I am at the end of the DSL line and since I have not touched the: color, contrast, tint, sharpness. I have done nothing except when I improved the power cord to a Furutech I had to turn the Color down to three or four (don't remember)
If you know the answer already you can tell me the Vizio with 1080p capability is only a shadow of what is available from Samsung or Panasonic or Runco..., I can take it. But I'll tell you I've walked thru Sears and Wal-Mart and Sam's Club I don't see a better picture. I see where some programs help improve video playback but it still looks as good thru a Vizio.
Will Vizio make it into the shoot out.......
Ya know my 10yr+ 32" Vizio displays 1080p all day long and except for times I have not used "Screen Saver" I have a great picture. My Dad had a Sales and Service for almost 30yrs he sold and serviced a lot of RCA TV's. I remember the Tv's used to get the degousing hoop to help break in the screen and bring out better color. No need today and especially when OLED finally hits the big screen (I don't know what the hold up is except money for old technology (they want 100 trillion in profit and have only made 10trillion), maybe you and I can talk about this sometime.).
In any case I adjusted the color to my specific needs and the fact I am at the end of the DSL line and since I have not touched the: color, contrast, tint, sharpness. I have done nothing except when I improved the power cord to a Furutech I had to turn the Color down to three or four (don't remember)
If you know the answer already you can tell me the Vizio with 1080p capability is only a shadow of what is available from Samsung or Panasonic or Runco..., I can take it. But I'll tell you I've walked thru Sears and Wal-Mart and Sam's Club I don't see a better picture. I see where some programs help improve video playback but it still looks as good thru a Vizio.
Will Vizio make it into the shoot out.......
Gregr, actually I believe Vizio makes a great TV and the value is excellent. But this Flat Panel HDTV Shootout is strictly limited to the very best flagship models from the premium manufacturers. At this moment I can't tell you the names of the premium TV manufacturers' who did not make the cut and will not even have their premium flagship display included in the Shootout.
At Sears, Walmart and Sam's Club you only see the low end entry level TVs, and some are exclusive to the retailer. Also the TVs in those stores are set to the store demo mode, which is the worst viewing mode. So I think that may be some of the reason you are not seeing as good a picture that you experience in your home with subdued ambient light and a TV that has been properly set-up.
If you put any of these panels on our Shootout wall and it would be embarrassing for the manufacturer.
Sorry no Vizio in this event. But it would be nice to see Vizio beat the pants off of many of the big boys entry to mid level displays.
-Robert
At Sears, Walmart and Sam's Club you only see the low end entry level TVs, and some are exclusive to the retailer. Also the TVs in those stores are set to the store demo mode, which is the worst viewing mode. So I think that may be some of the reason you are not seeing as good a picture that you experience in your home with subdued ambient light and a TV that has been properly set-up.
If you put any of these panels on our Shootout wall and it would be embarrassing for the manufacturer.
Sorry no Vizio in this event. But it would be nice to see Vizio beat the pants off of many of the big boys entry to mid level displays.
-Robert
That's the nicest I've ever seen that put. Cudos to you sir.Robert Zohn said:Gregr, actually I believe Vizio makes a great TV and the value is excellent. But this Flat Panel HDTV Shootout is strictly limited to the very best flagship models from the premium manufacturers. At this moment I can't tell you the names of the premium TV manufacturers' who did not make the cut and will not even have their premium flagship display included in the Shootout.
At Sears, Walmart and Sam's Club you only see the low end entry level TVs, and some are exclusive to the retailer. Also the TVs in those stores are set to the store demo mode, which is the worst viewing mode. So I think that may be some of the reason you are not seeing as good a picture that you experience in your home with subdued ambient light and a TV that has been properly set-up.
If you put any of these panels on our Shootout wall and it would be embarrassing for the manufacturer.
Sorry no Vizio in this event. But it would be nice to see Vizio beat the pants off of many of the big boys entry to mid level displays.
-Robert
How about an entry-level shoot out? Just kidding!
Nice video Robert! :T I love it!
For those of you who haven't seen it:
For those of you who haven't seen it:
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