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8th ANNUAL FLAT PANEL SHOOT-OUT

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8th ANNUAL FLAT PANEL SHOOT-OUT
AT VALUE ELECTRONICS IN SCARSDALE, NY

Video Experts Along with the Attending Audience Will Evaluate the Newest Flagship HD Panels
To Answer The Question: Which Manufacturer Makes the Best Flat Panel HDTV?​

Schedule:
Day One, Saturday, May 19, 2012 5:00 PM
Day Two, Sunday, May 20, 2012 1:00 PM

Place:
Value Electronics 108 Garth Rd, Scarsdale, NY 10583

Phone:
Direct 914-723-3344 or 800-789-5050

To attend in person email Robert Zohn:
[email protected] and put in the subject line, Flat Panel Shootout Request

Displays in the evaluation:
Plasma models, Panasonic TC-P65VT50, Samsung PN64E8000, LG 60PM9700 LCD/LED models, Panasonic TC-L55WT50, Samsung UN60ES8000, Elite PRO-60X5FD, LG 60LM9600, and possibly Toshiba's new Cinema 55L7200 and Sony's XBR-65HX929.

Plus one or possibly even two surprise displays!

Seating will be limited and is exclusively available by email request. This is a private event for a/v enthusiast, the press and select invited industry experts and executives. Send your email request now if you are interested in learning about video technology and seeing first hand the world's best displays on one Shootout wall with our panel of distinguished experts doing the live review evaluation! The Flat Panel Shootout will also be available Online on both days. (Saturday & Sunday). The web address and logon info will be posted as soon as they are confirmed.

The Flat Panel Shootout will present this years newest displays from the leading manufacturers. The event will be a completely unbiased assessment of all the panels represented. The displays will be connected to a dedicated 20 amp circuit and a Richard Gray power conditioner. The HDMI cables are all 16' Key Digital Black Bull so all will be on a equal playing field.

Factory reps from Panasonic, Samsung, LG and Sharp's Elite group (and if Toshiba and Sony are included their reps will present their respective products) will present their panels, and make a presentation explaining their features and latest developments. Plus we have some Industry VIPs and some of the most highly respected video development engineers will be attending and presenting on the future of flat panel display technologies.

The Online live feed will be broadcast in HD and will allow viewers to submit questions which will be moderated by our staff a/v techs and select questions will be read out loud for our panel of experts to answer in realtime.

Check back often to this thread for updates.


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Robert Zohn
mech, thanks for posting this. This great promotion video for our 8th Annual Flat Panel Shootout was created by our Cinematographer, Mr. Joe Soso. Joe has been our Shootout Cinematographer for the past 4 years and much of his fine work with us can be seen on our Youtube HDTV Shootout page.

Hope to meet many HTS colleagues at the Shootout event!

-Robert
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Gregr
WOW..., I didn't know my little Vizio had so many jagged lines and problems with reflections. I guess I have overlooked many picture anomalies for the sake of story line or whatever. That was a beautiful video and I'll bet it was not meant to be seen like I just saw it.

I have to go to YouTube to watch this, I cannot have as many problems as I just saw........
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Robert Zohn
Today we received Panasonic's WT50 series LCD/LED TV and all I can say is this display is simply stunning. My techs wall mounted the WT50 on the Shoot-out wall. This contestant will do well in the Shootout evaluation.

From the gorgeous industrial design and world class fit, finish, and overall build quality to the incredible image quality this new 2012 TV delivers an excellent investment to ensure many years of great visual entertainment.

We just posted a nice photo album on our Facebook page.

Enjoy!

-Robert
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K
sorry if this has been covered already but is there any chance of seeing the new LG 55" OLED at the Shootout?
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mechman
I'm pretty certain that it won't be available in time.
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tele1962
Robert can you provide the link to the Live Shootout & will you be taking questions again?
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mechman said:
I'm pretty certain that it won't be available in time.
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the LG OLED will be making it's official unveiling at the Cannes Film Festival that runs from May 16 to 27 so I was hoping it might sneak into the Shootout as a 'surprise' entrant
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I think Robert would've mentioned it.
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Robert Zohn
Samsung is also showing its OLED in Korea a week earlier, but although I'm still working on an OLED, sadly, I must confess it's unlikely. But, don't fret, cause we'll be hosting our semi-annual Shootout with both OLED's when they launch late summer to very early fall 2012 against the three top rated displays at our May 2012's Flat Panel Shootout.

Barry, tele1962, I'll have the exact direct link next week so stand by for the url. And yes the live HD channel will be moderated by our staff.

-Robert
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Gregr
FYI,

I hate to burst anybodies bubble, but I'll bet it has happened before in America.

I listened to an MPBN broadcast (Maine Public Broadcasting Network) of a meeting @ the "Press Club"
with the "Press Club" and various notable dignitaries from Dept of Commerce, various manufacturers of electronic equipment e.g. Tele's, Rep's from Univ Think Tanks I do not remember from where. If I could remember who all was there it would not make a difference this was 8yrs ago (approx).

During the Q/A period a Scientist, Physicist, Chemist..., Inventor of OLED, a Woman had much to say:
She stated she has been trying to get her product into the market but she cannot even enter contests because as claimed "There is no Catagory for her product" Do not ever believe business is fair (I said that). She has been stone walled for years.

At this press club meet she made several claims about OLED Television: Extremely easy, inexpensive to produce. All of the equipment necessary is readily available no extraordinary equipment is necessary to produce OLED TV. OLED Tv is much less expensive than LCD Tv to manufacture. It uses much less electricity, produces very, very little heat can be very thin. The technology is stable and consistent reproduction is not difficult. Color reproduction is infinitely variable and extremely accurate and controllable when compared to conventional tech. There were no poisonous substances required to manufacture the size of the OLED element is small compared to conventional LCD. I forget everything she claimed for the OLED technology but I am amazed I still see no mention of this woman anywhere and in fact only now years later are we seeing large OLED Tv for $8K to $10K??? Gee, what do think might have happened. No..., it couldn't happen in America??? I suggested all of my friends wait for OLED. Man was I the fool.

I'll admit it has been a few years since her "Press Club meeting (6-8yrs) but what happened?
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Robert Zohn
Gregr, From what I know OLED was invented in 1982 by Eastman Kodak; at this moment I can't remember the name of the researcher. In 2003 Kodak was also the first to commercially use OLED in a small camera display. Some years later Kodak sold most of the OLED intellectual properties to LG.

I worked in the photographic industry before becoming a TV Broadcast systems engineer, which of course, was before starting ValueElectronics.com some 16 + years ago.

Anyway fast forward a few decades and we have the first CES showing of OLED from LG and Samsung. Both 55" ultra thin models and they do look great. But these were just engineering prototypes. And I'm concerned about the longevity of the Blue OLED and from what I am told OLED panel yields that pass q/c are very low.

We suggest a cautious wait and see approach to all early adapters. BTW, the final list prices will be $6k to $8k and the very first production is expected in September 2012. When the launch we're planning a mid-year Shootout with the top three panels from next weeks 8th annual Flat Panel Shootout Evaluation event.

So stand by for more information on this fast moving target of who makes the "World's Best Display"

-Robert
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Robert Zohn said:
We suggest a cautious wait and see approach to all early adapters. BTW, the final list prices will be $6k to $8k and the very first production is expected in September 2012. When the launch we're planning a mid-year Shootout with the top three panels from next weeks 8th annual Flat Panel Shootout Evaluation event.

So stand by for more information on this fast moving target of who makes the "World's Best Display"
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I'm hearing LG will be launching their's earlier then September with the intention of having them available for the start of the Summer Olympics in London...but as you say we have to wait and see
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Robert Zohn
I think August will be the earliest we'll see any OLED in the USA. Hope I'm wrong.

Just noticed you are in NYC, do you plan on attending our Flat Panel HDTV Shootout Evaluation event?

-Robert
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Robert Zohn said:
I think August will be the earliest we'll see any OLED in the USA. Hope I'm wrong.

Just noticed you are in NYC, do you plan on attending our Flat Panel HDTV Shootout Evaluation event?

-Robert
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can't attend this year but I'll be watching the HD simulcast online...great to see it happening so early in the year...my humble early prediction: VT50 takes the crown from the Elite
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Gregr
I don't know all of the details, but OLED was first discovered in the 50"s but its use was not developed until much later. Like any technology its use develops in time as well new tech is introduced. Toshiba has developed a wallpaper using OLED, knowing Toshiba there is a Tele in there somewhere.

The inventor I listened to spoke about a television and I suppose it was a first use in television of OLED. I was on heavy doses of Chemo at the time but I was not hallucinating, it may have been prior to 2003 I remember sitting in the VA parking lot waiting to see the Dr., it could have been 2001-02 I did not think it was that long ago.

Thank you Robert for your Hx, adding to my limited knowledge of OLED. I think I am going to look further into this. It all sounded like bad business and I thought others would know more of this especially since all this time has passed.
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Robert Zohn said:
Samsung is also showing its OLED in Korea a week earlier, but although I'm still working on an OLED, sadly, I must confess it's unlikely. But, don't fret, cause we'll be hosting our semi-annual Shootout with both OLED's when they launch late summer to very early fall 2012 against the three top rated displays at our May 2012's Flat Panel Shootout.

Barry, tele1962, I'll have the exact direct link next week so stand by for the url. And yes the live HD channel will be moderated by our staff.

-Robert
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Thanks Robert and hope you guys have a great time.:T
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Robert Zohn said:
mech, thanks for posting this. This great promotion video for our 8th Annual Flat Panel Shootout was created by our Cinematographer, Mr. Joe Soso. Joe has been our Shootout Cinematographer for the past 4 years and much of his fine work with us can be seen on our Youtube HDTV Shootout page.

Hope to meet many HTS colleagues at the Shootout event!

-Robert
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Well, Joe did a great job. I'm very much looking forward to next weekend, Robert.

I was surprised to see that it's so soon, as usually you have it around the end of summer or sometime in the fall. Did all the manufacturers get their products to market early this year?

Yours,

David
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Robert Zohn
Hi David :wave:

Yes, all of the 2012 LCD/LED and PDPs are out this week so it's time to see what's different between them and which one delivers the very best picture quality.

We're all looking forward to seeing you next week!

-Robert
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K
so it's confirmed that there will be 2 Shootouts this year?...one in May and the 2nd possibly in September/October?
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Robert Zohn
Yes, the top three displays from our May 19 - 20 2012 Flat Panel Shootout will face-off against LG's and Samsung's OLEDs and yes likely Elite's new mid-year entry. I suspect it will be September before both models are available. So yes we'll have a second-half 2012 Flat Panel Smack-down final Shootout.

I'll assemble our panel of experts to present the 2012 final comparison evaluation of the year to demonstrate and teach all of the variances between the best 2012 LCD/LEDs and PDPs against the break-through OLED technology.

So stay tuned for our projected September 2012 mother of all Shootouts when we fire up our 20 amp dedicated/power conditioned circuit which will power six of the world's best displays all but-to-butt on our Shootout wall.

Who will take the second-half 2012 VE crown as the "King of HDTV?" .....

In short time we'll know the definitive answer.

-Robert
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