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Welcome to the forum Greg!

From a quick look at Goo's website it seems that both the base-coat and top-coat are water-based paints. I think I would add small amounts of Liquitex Soft Body Acrylics Ivory Black to both the base and top coats until you reach the shade of gray you are after as both top and base coats look gray at Goo's site.

The bottle should look like this, only black. ;)



It should be available at any art or craft store.

If you could, please send Mech a sample of the Goo base and top coats before and after you have tinted them. :T He only needs about a 1 inch square sample of each, but a 2 inch sample would be better.

Good Luck!
 

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Greg, that's the answer I would have expected from Goo (or a Goo rep.). You might just call and ask them how they get it gray to begin with if added colorants "ruin" it. :rofl:

I understand not wanting to chance ruining your Goo, but be advised that the white Goo won't tolerate even a small amount of ambient light without losing image contrast, that is why they need a gray Goo too!

Looking forward to your report no matter what you do with your Goo. :T
 

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I would say the incentive to not have you color your own mix could come from them wanting to sell you a gray Goo kit, but perhaps I'm just too cynical.

I really don't know how neutral in shade (including white) their mixes are, and if they were REALLY neutral there is a chance your adding your own color would make the mix less neutral in shade as you darken it.

As I said, I really do understand not wanting to chance messing up their mix by adding black to it to darken the mix to a gray. I certainly don't want to appear to be pressuring you into doing something you don't want to do. Do what you are comfortable with and nothing more. :T

White screens are great if you have a "bat cave" of a theater where ambient light is not a consideration AND the projector being used has black blacks. Under those circumstances a screen that is a flat bright white would be just about perfect since it would give you a bright image that could be viewed at almost any angle. The problem comes when either there will be some other light in the room (causing the image to lose contrast and color depth) OR the PJ being used has blacks that look gray and not black. In those circumstances you would want to use a gray screen to combat those problems.
 

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Good point. Why then do CRT projectors produce better blacks ? If the screen is white, the screen is white.
As I understand it, the reason CRT systems have the blackest blacks is because they are literally colored light tubes. You have one tube for each color, red, blue and green; white is a combination of all the tubes and black is when none are lighted (or "excited"). Each tube generates it's color by electrons striking a phosphor coating at the end of a vacuum tube (cathode ray tube).

DLP and LCD TV's or PJ's work in a totally different way. A DLP reflects white light that passes through a filter wheel with numerous colored filters in it and thus is being illuminated all the time so even totally black scenes get some light, but generally they give darker blacks than LCD systems do since LCD's actually block portions of light from coming through the screen (the same way your computers LCD monitor does) so to produce black they try to block all the light coming from behind the screen, but there isn't 100% blockage. That explanation was probably as clear as mud... to get a better understanding of how each of these systems work, hit the internet and I'm sure you can find some illustrations that are much clearer than my text. :)

Anybody ever tried a black screen?
A member of another forum actually did this, and it worked after a fashion, but you need a REALLY bright PJ along with a small screen (by projection standards) for it to work. In his testing he had to get the PJ so close to the black screen that he couldn't focus the image.

Also, I just read about a company (Vutec Silverstar) that uses crushed glass in their screen make-up. Sounds interesting and raises the question for DIYers. Anybody tried crushing glass into the mix? You could probably use a fabric sack and sledgehammer and a sacrificial Cuisinart to crush glass. Come to think of it, isn't sand crushed glass? Anybody tried sand in the mix? I'm tempted to try sand.
I actually will be ordering some microscopic glass flakes to try out in a screen mix. My main concern is that they will have a prismatic effect similar to mica flakes. We'll see. :nerd:

DON'T try to make your own flakes by breaking or crushing regular glass yourself! This is VERY dangerous and you have no control over the size of particles produced. Besides the threat of being cut, you could also create glass powder so fine it goes air-borne and you, or others in the area, could breath that into your lungs - not good!

Common sand is too impure and/or fractured to be as reflective as a screen ingredient needs to be. Also, the size of the sand grains are too large. Some years ago I needed to build some ramps so my grandmother could use her wheelchair to get to street level and we could take her out to eat, medical appointments, etc. I learned that the way you increase traction on a painted wooden ramp is to paint it and then sprinkle dry sand on the wet paint! It worked like a charm!
 

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I understand the different technologies, it's the CRT projector I don't get. It still has to produce black on a white screen. I guess it can just produce black on to a screen Mo' Better.
Actually, no projector "produces" black since black is the absence of light. That is why CRT PJ's must be used in a "bat cave" to get the best picture. A black area on a screen is simply that area without any light from the PJ hitting it. CRT's are better at not producing light in "black" areas of a scene than other display technologies.
 

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Hi Zman, welcome to the forum! :wave:

According to the info I've read from Liquitex they don't use extenders either, even in their soft body acrylics; and my question still stands about how Goo creates their gray mixes. If Goo wasn't so expensive I would try this experiment (adding black artist acrylic to "white" Goo) myself.

Do you know what the reflective ingredient in Goo mixes is?
 
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