Hey I just bought this one! At least it was only $14.99 and I'm easy to please
. Thanks for the review O. Did you do a review of Lone Survivor, or plan to?
Hey Bran,Hey I just bought this one! At least it was only $14.99 and I'm easy to please. Thanks for the review O. Did you do a review of Lone Survivor, or plan to?
Indeed; I knew there was a mastering issue...I can just sense these problems.I'm honestly really surprised on your findings of the video and audio in many ways. both of them were literally FLAWLESS on both my systems (especially the video). well, besides the volume level. it was mastered almost 5 db's lower than the standard level for most tracks, but that's easily solved with turning the volume know.
I am becoming more and more convinced that this is the case, myself...but other than that I'm absolutely convinced that your experience with the audio has to do with the way the onkyo 605 folds in the 7.1 to 5.1 conversion.
I don't like to make channel changes on the fly and would rather report what I find the way my system is without any additional tweaking.I had many of the same issues with 7.1 tracks that you did until I upgraded my receiver. My yamaha and pioneers don't suffer from that but I always had to tweak settings in my receiver (especially the lfe channel and surrounds) when I used my 605...
Totally agreed. :Tas for the movie, agree with you. it was decent movie, but would have been better if it wasn't associated with Jack Ryan. they did too much of a 007 meets Bourne with the character instead of keeping to Clancy's character of the books (and original movies)... it was just "vanilla"
on no, I don't either. at least not for the reviews. I was just saying that if I wanted a fuller LFE track and more competent surrounds then I had to adjust them. my buddy and I had near identical setups since we built our speakers together and our subs and bought the same projector (at the time) so we'd watch movies at each other's houses all the times, our one difference is that he bought an 809 instead of my 605 and we could compare and his experience and mine could be very different on the 7.1 tracks and our only difference was the receivers. I was sold when I upgraded to my Yammy though and could directly a/b the two receivers etc.Indeed; I knew there was a mastering issue...I can just sense these problems.
I am becoming more and more convinced that this is the case, myself...
I don't like to make channel changes on the fly and would rather report what I find the way my system is without any additional tweaking.
Totally agreed. :T
No, no Audyssey implementation engaged. I'm hearing the track(s) essentially "as intended."Are you running Audyssey and the movie curve on your 605? Maybe it has to do with Paramount remastering for the home but I find many of their movies sound better with the flat /Music curve which doesn't have midrange compensation or the high freq rolloff.
Osage, good review. Mike is right about the Onk folding up on the 7.1 to 5.1. I have been telling you for some time now that 7.1 on action movies needs those extra channels to sound "right". Even the 7.1 HDMA can dumb down to DTS ES or Matrix 6.1. That tells me that producers and audio engineers dont want their 7.1 creations to be misrepresented on a 5.1 setup. I think its time to sit down with your wife and explain to her why you need to upgrade to modern technology and get that 7.1 Onkyo. Last years models can be found at very reasonable prices. Once I get settled with all I have to do right now I will be upgrading to a true 7.2 system so I have better control of the low end.
What I should have mentioned about the DTS track is ES and Matrix are core tracks for legacy HDMI systems like my old Onk HT-R550.Interesting information eric. I see you medb vantagention that 7.1 can dumb down to es or matrix on the onkyo. That would be sad indeed, I have gone back and forth on my processor and on 5.1 it still shows the proper readings so maybe some of the earlier models do not have the software to properly handle 7.1 tracks off the discs ??
Just wondering.
Eric,Osage, good review. Mike is right about the Onk folding up on the 7.1 to 5.1. I have been telling you for some time now that 7.1 on action movies needs those extra channels to sound "right". Even the 7.1 HDMA can dumb down to DTS ES or Matrix 6.1. That tells me that producers and audio engineers dont want their 7.1 creations to be misrepresented on a 5.1 setup. I think its time to sit down with your wife and explain to her why you need to upgrade to modern technology and get that 7.1 Onkyo. Last years models can be found at very reasonable prices. Once I get settled with all I have to do right now I will be upgrading to a true 7.2 system so I have better control of the low end.
Indeed; my old Onkyo TX-SR600 was a leading "pioneer" of the discrete/matrixing DTS-ES/Dolby EX phenomenon that many DVD title releases attempted to take advantage of -- Gladiator Signature Selection, The Haunting (1999) Signature Selection, The Exorcist: The Version You've Never Seen et al -- which would ultimately allow for a back surround channel to broaden the soundstage from 5.1 to 6.1 either via borrowed matrix techniques or in discrete form, depending on the DVD's preparation...What I should have mentioned about the DTS track is ES and Matrix are core tracks for legacy HDMI systems like my old Onk HT-R550.
Your system would still need to be at minimum a 6.1 to take advantage of the DTS ES or Matrix like my old Onkyo, there would be no need to decode an es or Matrix dts track if there are only 5.1 channels available for amplification. A few bd titles I can think of off the top of my head are the Wolverine and Super 8. The Wolverine is matrix and Super 8 is es discreet. If a balanced 5.1 track isn't provided as an option than the 7.1 movie will imo not sound quite right or lacking something as Osage has pointed out several times on his movie reviews.