Where Audyssey really shines is on the lowest frequencies. MCACC stops working around 60hz and last I checked YPAO does not go much lower (not completely positive, but pretty sure)
Audyssey MultEQ, MultEQ XT, and MultEQ XT32 all place a priority on the Subwoofer Channel. The AVR's that have been released with XT32 have also included Audyssey SubEQ which is fantastic.
Even discounting what Audyssey does on the Subwoofer Channel, the FIR Filters used by Audyssey work on both Time and Phase irregularities. In addition Audyssey was Developed by THX Founder Tomlinson Holman and Chris Kyriakakis at the USC's famed Digital Media Center where they are/were both Professors. Audyssey really is cutting edge and garnered countless Awards and Accolades. Note that 2EQ does not work on the Subwoofer Channel.
Because it's a mature well performing technology. Not perfect, but does what it's designed to do exceedingly well. XT32 has more processor power and is even better at the corrections it does.What I don't understand is why there are so many posts about people NOT likeing what Audessey has done?
From decreasing bass , ...brightness,...muffled sound ect??
I have only had experience with Audyssey and MCACC.
Jack is correct in that MCACC doesn't really do anything to the sub channel so added EQ is needed there. This is only my experience with the Pio Elite VSX-94TX which I still have in a small system, don't know if the latest offering from Pioneer have a more advanced MCACC which address's the subs.
What Audyssey's XT and XT32 do for the bass is outstanding, didn't personally like normal MultEQ but that could have been that I didn't know proper set-up back then.
I wasn't a big fan of either MCACC or Audyssey when I first tried them until someone informed me on the proper set-up and then I was impressed. A tri-pod or better yet boom mic stand is critical as well as proper placement. Before I would just rest whichever mic I was using on the headrest on the MLP and with Audyssey did only 1 measurement even though I could do more. Switching both EQ's on/off told me that they both stunk but it turned out it was my set-up that stunk.
I actually did a proper calibration with MCACC and was surprised at how good my main speakers sounded with it on, I used a Velodyne SMS-1 for my subs. I immediately invited a friend over who had the same receiver and hated MCACC as well and even he couldn't believe the difference and how good it made my speakers sound. It was very easy to hear the improvements and even with the small satellite speakers the MCACC receiver is hooked up to now they are unlistenable without MCACC.
I got used to running MCACC then switching to my SMS-1 to EQ the subs as I knew MCACC didn't address the sub channel. When I first tried Audyssey MultEQ XT again after knowing the tricks to a good calibration and ran 6 mic positions I switched to the SMS-1 for the sub channels. What I saw shocked me as I didn't have to make my normal cuts in the 50hz range and general tweaking, in fact I had never seen my sub response look so good. If I wasn't a DIY sub guy and constant tweaker I would have taken the SMS-1 out of the system right then, it really isn't needed anymore.
I don't have any experience with Ypao but then I have never heard much talk of it being good or bad, I suppose if it was really good there would be a buzz.
My first choice is Audyssey XT or XT32 but if you already have a bass EQ like the SMS-1, BFD or something like that the MCACC is good. I have never actually owned a receiver longer than my Pioneer Elite VSX-94TX and I have owned a LOT of receivers in the past including the Denon 4311 just a few months ago.
There is a difference in Audyssey implementation between Onkyo and Denon IMO. I currently have the Onkyo 5508 which has XT32 and had a Denon 4311 which also has XT32. I prefer the Onkyo as for some reason it does a better job on my subs and the Onkyo 886 before that with only XT did a better job as well. With the Denon I had to make some adjustments with my SMS-1 but with both Onkyo's it was needed which I find odd.
I hope my blathering on helped:gulp:
Hello,Thank you for that post ,..very informative. From all my reading, AUDYSSEY does seem to have the upper hand. ...Now it seems from the posts that i've been reading that ONKYO'S latest Gen are having more problems than usual ?? Correct me if i'm wrong ??
I am not familiar with the 886 pre pro ,What is the diff between lets say (tx nr- 709 or 809 ). Could not find 886 on the web site?? I never listen at REF levels also ,..so i should also get Dynamic EQ ??I have had my Onkyo 5508 for over 2 months now and it has been great.
To be honest though if your system is all about movies then I would save some $ and get a Onkyo 886 pre-pro. Even though the 5508 is much better for music the 886 is it's equal for movies, If I was movies only I would sell the 5508 and use the 886. I am keeping the 886 as it has been the most stable and great sounding movie pre-pro's I have had in awhile, I just don't like it for music. I plan on making a second system around the 886 and probably retiring the Pioneer Elite 94.
While I have had the Onkyo 886 I have also had the Denon 4311 and Marantz AV7005 an all of those were sold to keep the 886. The Denon and Marantz were better for music but the 886 just had a more dynamic movie presentation that I couldn't give up even though I really wanted to like the Denon and Marantz better.
I have had the Integra 9.8 which is the same as the Onkyo 885 prior to the 886 but would pass on those as I never listen at reference levels so Dynamic EQ really makes a difference for me.
If your worried about the current crop of 08 Onkyo's then I can tell you that I have never noticed much complaints at all about the 886. I have had 0 problems with my 886, it has been a rock of stability. I wouldn't shy away from the current Onkyo's either though, just make sure you buy them from an authorized dealer so the warranty will be intact.
Here is a link to the Pro model which has the rack mounts but I have the normal PR-SC886 not the PR-SC886P which is in the link:I am not familiar with the 886 pre pro ,What is the diff between lets say (tx nr- 709 or 809 ). Could not find 886 on the web site?? I never listen at REF levels also ,..so i should also get Dynamic EQ ??
Hello,I am not familiar with the 886 pre pro ,What is the diff between lets say (tx nr- 709 or 809 ). Could not find 886 on the web site?? I never listen at REF levels also ,..so i should also get Dynamic EQ ??
I just browsed audiogon and saw 3 886's for $700. There is also a Onkyo 5507 there as well for $999 but all that really adds is Audyssey DSX for wide or height channels which you may or may not want. I did just sneak a peak behind my 886 and 5508 and noticed that the 886 only has 4 hdmi inputs while the 5508 has 7 on the back and 1 on the front for a total of 8 hdmi inputs if that matter to you.
I am not sure how many HDMI inputs the 5507 has but I would personally skip on the 5507 and either get a 886 or 5508. I did have a Integra DHC-80.1 which is the same as the 5507 but had horrible relay clicks and occasional pops in my speakers so I got rid of it really quick. Not sure if that same thing affected the 5507's but the 80.1 is the only intergra/onkyo product that ever gave me trouble.
With the 886 and 5508 you would definitely need amps, they are pre-amp processors so they do not have there own built in amplification like receivers do.I also rarely listen below -15, so Dynamic EQ would also be benificial. My buget was thinking more towards the ( TX-NR709 ) which has EQ XT and Dynamic EQ . maybe if i move up to the 3008 with XT32,.. i would'nt need a BFD or MiniDSP for the SUB EQ ??
Just to make sure the 886 is a processer and also needs an AMP right ???
I thought I answered it with the mention of not needing my SMS-1 subEQ after using Audyssey XT but when looking back noticed I was not clear. IMO you will not need a BFD or MiniDSP with either XT or XT32, these both do an outstanding job on subwoofers as long as you follow the directions and do a proper calibration.I also rarely listen below -15, so Dynamic EQ would also be benificial. My buget was thinking more towards the ( TX-NR709 ) which has EQ XT and Dynamic EQ . maybe if i move up to the 3008 with XT32,.. i would'nt need a BFD or MiniDSP for the SUB EQ ??
Just to make sure the 886 is a processer and also needs an AMP right ???
Thank you very much MIKE for answering so many questions, I really appreciate it !!I thought I answered it with the mention of not needing my SMS-1 subEQ after using Audyssey XT but when looking back noticed I was not clear. IMO you will not need a BFD or MiniDSP with either XT or XT32, these both do an outstanding job on subwoofers as long as you follow the directions and do a proper calibration.