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Audyssey Pro Installer Kit - Demystified!

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Thanks to Sonnie, I had the opportunity to order the Audyssey MultEQ Pro Calibration Kit. I was very reluctant to order it because I wasn't sure just exactly how valuable it would be as a tool. Part of my early frustration was that it seemed like there wasn't much information about it publicly available, even though it's available for purchase to end-users. Some dealers might give you a break, and some want/demand full MSRP.

I have an Onkyo PR-SC886P preamp w/an Emotiva UPA-7. Most of my speakers are currently Polk. I had read that there were problems with the early 1.1 firmware on the Onkyo 886, so thanks to some other forum members I was able to get it successfully upgraded before attempting to calibrate.

To use the kit, you have to register on the Audyssey Installer site (http://installer.audyssey.com) with the serial number that's included with the kit. Audyssey actually includes the serial on the box the kit comes in, the mic, the preamp, and the CD. Strangely, my CD had a mismatched serial which was different from the serial that was shared by all the other components. I contacted Auddysey and the answer I received was that it was probably just mistake during kit assembly. It would have been more of a problem (as the CD contains the mic calibration), but Audyssey allows you to download mic calibration files for any serial number.

The kit actually contains a wealth of toys:
A nice zipper/handle bag to carry everything in
MultEQ Pro Application Setup CD and Setup Guide
Calibrated Preamplifier w/power adapter
Calibrated Microphone (APM-1)
Microphone Stand (A nice Samson adjustable boom stand)
Mini-XLR to RCA Adapter
Mini-XLR to XLR-Female
Mini-XLR to XLR-Male
Three Mini-XLR Cables (I believe 25')
USB to RS232 Serial Cable
10 ft. USB Cable

The next post has pictures of the kit.

I'll offer my brief thoughts:
1. Zipper bag: Cool, adds a touch of professionalism for installers
2. Calibrated preamp: Simple enough Preamp. Has an external power supply, two mini-XLR connectors and a power LED. I actually like the simplicity, because there are no knobs or anything to screw up.
3. Calibrated microphone: Small but seems well built. It's metal with a mini-XLR connector. Audyssey includes an calibration file, but unfortunately it's in a proprietary encrypted format that can only be used with the Audyssey software. Cross Spectrum Labs can calibrate it, if desired, if you want to use it for other programs.
4. Microphone stand: Nice Samson boom mic. Adjustable, seems solid.
5. The included adapters: The miniXLR-RCA is used to connect the preamp out on my 886. The other ones (I believe) are used with other AVRs and Audyssey standalone products. I like the mini-XLR to XLR-Female because that allows me to use the same cabling and preamp with my calibrated EMM-6 for other purposes.
6. Mini-XLR cables: Nice that there are 3. 1 for Mic, 1 for preamp-AVR, and 1 extra for whatever.
7. USB to RS232 cable: It works. Requires the supplied drivers on the CD, wish it was longer. I had to use a RS-232 extension cable that I had kicking around because the USB->RS232 cable is relatively short.
8. Gooseneck adapter: There is a flexible gooseneck to hold the mic. My one gripe is that I wish it was stiffer. It felt like any time I bumped anything the adapter would flex.

I have some pictures of the bag/gear which I'll upload later.

Prior to calibration, you need to purchase a license (via the site) that's model specific. You then create a key (for that license) that's specific to the device. You can always generate new keys for later calibrations, but license is always tied to that single device. After the license is purchased (but prior to creating key) you can change the license type to another model.



Basic run through:
1. Mount the mic on the stand
2. Run a mini-XLR cable from the mic to the preamp
3. Connect the preamp to the AVR. In my case, I wanted to know ahead of time how to cable it. On the Onkyo PR-SC886P you connect the pre-amp out to the LEFT input of AUX 1 on the back of the 886. My minor gripe is that the 886 has a *front* Aux2 input, so not sure why it must be plugged into the back.
4. Connect RS-232 port on 886 via the serial->USB adapter to laptop
5. Install, Launch the Multi-EQ Pro software
6. Select the brand of the device
7. Enter key from website
8. Enter customer info, etc.
9. Start measurements. I believe that you can take up to 16, if I remember correctly. After each position, it takes 3-4 minutes to transfer from the AVR to the laptop. You CAN however, save each position, and later load it which I thought was very cool.

Some screenshots:
Transferring responses from the 886 to the laptop (From measurement)


Measuring Position 3


Measuring Position 4 (Note: You can continue after barebones 3 measurements)


Calculating filters/crossovers after all measurements are complete


Detection Results w/crossovers and distance


Target Sound Options (Picking a curve)


Target Curve Designer (You can assign a different curve to every single channel!, I thought it was cool)


Target Curve Editor (Note the limit of 3db on the filters, unfortunately)


Writing the filters from the laptop to the 886:



I went through 3 measurements last night, and that's about as far as I got - so no real comments as far as improved performance.

I have to say though, that if you're looking for a step up from the cheapie mic that's included, I think that this kit is excellent! The software is pretty much idiot proof, it's easy to cable it, and it's mostly just a matter of investing the time to do measurements to make it work. Any cons that I see with the kit are really relatively trivial.

Part of why I wanted to play with it was because you can select a target curve and then tweak it. I wish that you could edit more than -/+ 3db, but I understand since the purpose of Audyssey is to get it closer to flat, rather than color the response.

Questions and comments are welcome!
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Try different music ; , blues, women vocals, piano , etc it will grow on you in stereo. If you have SACDs even better.
The 5508 is definitely more dynamic than the 4311 in my system. In fact the Onkyo 886 pre-pro was more dynamic as well which is what I directly compared the 4311 to. For music the Denon was much better than the 886 but the 5508 trounces the 886 for music too.

I really wanted to like the 4311 more than the 886 as it was more feature packed and I did for music. I just couldn't give up the dynamics and overall movie presentation of the Onkyo, the 4311 was dull in direct comparison.

You had me worried at first Sonnie, I was beginning to question my sanity for recommending the 5508 over the 4311:gulp:
Hey all, with the new Integra 80.3 would this still benefit from using the PRO setup or is the on-board Audessy pretty good now?

Cheers Mark
mrf said:
Hey all, with the new Integra 80.3 would this still benefit from using the PRO setup or is the on-board Audessy pretty good now?

Cheers Mark
It makes a difference.
Hey all, with the new Integra 80.3 would this still benefit from using the PRO setup or is the on-board Audessy pretty good now?

Cheers Mark
The pro setup still allows more post-processing, tweaking and has a much better (calibrated) mic and preamp.

So, yes, there is still some benefit.
Anyone had any more experiences with the Audyssey Pro Kit?
A pro calibration brings benefits in my setup . The surround channels seem to be better . The ability to do a as many points as me would want is very nice. The kit does not do well with dual subs and touch up is usually required . REW is a very good approach for that.
I used Omnimic to change the distances listed for each subto smooth out the response around the xover.
The ability to edit the response for each set of speakers can be useful .

I think one really needs to be into hi fidelity to find the cost of the kit and license worth it.
This may be covering old ground, but will they sell the Pro kit to anyone who has the price? Do they require special qualifications, training, certification?

Any idea how many HTS members have the Pro kit?
This may be covering old ground, but will they sell the Pro kit to anyone who has the price? Do they require special qualifications, training, certification?

Any idea how many HTS members have the Pro kit?
Yes anyone can buy. Google the kit to find sellers. Audyssey also sell directly.
I only know of the 4-5 members that have mentioned it here in this thread that have it.
A pro calibration brings benefits in my setup . The surround channels seem to be better . The ability to do a as many points as me would want is very nice. The kit does not do well with dual subs and touch up is usually required . REW is a very good approach for that.
I used Omnimic to change the distances listed for each subto smooth out the response around the xover.
The ability to edit the response for each set of speakers can be useful .

I think one really needs to be into hi fidelity to find the cost of the kit and license worth it.


"The kit does not do well with dual subs and touch up is usually required. REW is a very good approach for that".

What exactly is the reason that the kit might not do well with dual subs? :scratch:

XT32 as comes standard with the Denon 4311ci supposedly does pretty well with dual subs, does it not?

Please clarify!


Thanks!


...Glenn :D
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I found Pro to be pretty much equivalent to XT32 as far as the bass equalization is concerned, however I was able to make some adjustments to my overall response with Pro that I could not make with XT32.

For any unit that has Sub EQ HT for dual subs, Audyssey will level the two subs, set the distance/delay and then combine all subs for equalization. How well it does will depend on your response prior to Audyssey.

Audyssey will not do all that well in some cases when there are more serious issues in the sub response prior to Audyssey equalization, it does not matter if it is dual subs or not. I emphasize some because I have not verified this in multiple cases, but it is likely that this is true in most cases, as it stands to reason that it would be the same result if the sub response has serious issues prior to Audyssey equalization. To see what I mean by this look at my review of the Denon 4520 (Is Audyssey all you need in your system for equalization?).
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With unequal subs pro and xt32 sub eq there seem to problems around the xover that can be fixed by changing distances using REW or Omnimic to monitor the effects of the changes.
I have used 120Hz as my crossover point with success in one of my setups.
Sonnie,

I have a Onkyo PR-SC5508 and an opportunity to buy an Audyssey pro kit from a friend for $100. I'd then have to buy the license for $150 - making the kit cost $250 for my use case. I traditionally run Audyssey and then turn it off because it brings in a treble bias in my tile floored, untreated room on my JTR speakers. In your opinion - after it was all said and done - did you like the pro kit? Did you think it was worthwhile - or should I just let it pass?
For $250 total it is a no brainer, you could sell your pro kit for the same price or more if you don't like it. It will also add some value to your 5508 when you sell it in the future because of the Pro license which stays with your particular 5508 and is not transferable.

I had a 5508 with Audyssey Pro and the biggest improvement was with music. The added control might also benefit you particular situation as you have a lot more control over that Audyssey is doing.
In addition the program gives some control of the EQ. so you could tweak that hi end the is bothering you a bit.
I would not pay full retail for it, but that price you are getting is a genuine bargain and I agree with the others... buy it! Ditto what both of them have said about the value and benefits of it.
And the extra measurement positions might just smooth out that top end for you anyway. :)
Cool - I'll probably pick it up then. Thank you for the responses! I've got to send my 5508 in for repair, the on screen display is not currently working. Luckily it still has a year of warranty left.
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