Yes, C&S™ Ultra is one of the best high gain, wide viewing angle N9 solutions available. However, if time or money is short then a N9 Valspar paint in eggshell finish probably would be a close second choice. We have not compared these two side-by-side and we should, but we do this stuff as a hobby and of late Mech and I have had little time to do so.Is Cream & Sugar Still one of the best N9 mixes out there ?
Honestly, this is very subjective. What one person might call a "big difference" other might think is trivial. In numbers, C&S™ Ultra has an on-axis gain of about 1.0; a flat N9 paint would have around 0.8. More about this on the next answer.Is there a big difference in Gain between (C&S)N9 and a (off the shelf )N9
Literally the highest gain white paint would be one in glossy finish. This would make a terrible screen because it would hot spot like crazy. The less glossy the finish the less the hot spotting would be, but the lower the on-axis gain would be as well. This is why we usually recommend only using flat or matte paints as screen paint - most paints in higher gloss finishes produce too much hot spotting (except for the Valspar eggshell).What is best Gain white paint ??
No problem. :TThanks!
The Behr #1850 paint used to be very close to the Valspar, but I don't think it is available in CA either! Drat! What latex paint brands are available to you? Please provide links to them if you can. I'll try to find data sheets for them and compare them to the Valspar paint.I think i might try either White or "C&S ultra" , I hope i can find the excact paints needed for this mix .
Can't seem to find any "Valspar" paint here in Quebec Canada ??:hissyfit:
That is a good question and one I can't answer just yet. Mech tried mixing the new AAA-F with a white paint and got a N8.5 while another member here mixed it to his brand of white paint and got a N9.4. I got some samples of white paint I'll be mixing with AAA-F to try to find out what is going on.Is the "Black Widow Ultra" also a N9 mix.
That would work, but gray screens work will in the dark too.I might try making a frame which i can flip-over the Sitra board , one for night viewing ,white or N9 and maybe a darker version for ambient light viewing ?
The Behr #1850 paint used to be very close to the Valspar, but I don't think it is available in CA either! Drat! What latex paint brands are available to you? Please provide links to them if you can. I'll try to find data sheets for them and compare them to the Valspar paint.
That is a good question and one I can't answer just yet. Mech tried mixing the new AAA-F with a white paint and got a N8.5 while another member here mixed it to his brand of white paint and got a N9.4. I got some samples of white paint I'll be mixing with AAA-F to try to find out what is going on.
That would work, but gray screens work will in the dark too.
I have only tested 5 or 6 different brands (i believe Harp and Mech have tested many many more..).What is best Gain white paint ??
A N9 that Home Depot can make is the True Value color "Winter Mist". Don't know if you can get the Behr #1850 in CA anymore or not, the last I heard people were having trouble.There are Home Depot's here, so i think i have access to "Glidden" and "Behr",.. we have "Sherwin William's" stores also .
Glad to (hopefully) be of help. :TThanks so much for your advise and experience !!
Can SW Ice Cube ,be a replacement for the (Valspar that i cant get here) in the C&S Ultra mix?A N9 that Home Depot can make is the True Value color "Winter Mist". Don't know if you can get the Behr #1850 in CA anymore or not, the last I heard people were having trouble.
A decent Sherwin-Williams N9 is "Ice Cube". In SW paints I would use their "Duration" paint in matte finish.
Glad to (hopefully) be of help. :T
No, the base for C&S™ Ultra needs to be as white as possible with just a hint of magenta added to give mix color neutrality after the Liquitex BASICS Silver is added.Can SW Ice Cube ,be a replacement for the (Valspar that i cant get here) in the C&S Ultra mix?
No problem, sorry I'm not on the forum as much as I used to be (I hope that will change soon).OK Harpmaker , i purchased the 16oz of liquidex Basics Silver and will check
Our local HD to see if they bave the Berh paint you mentioned Just to be sure ,What finish do i need ?
Thank you !!!!!!
OK, that is weird, the colors violet and magenta are not the same; magenta has both violet and red in it. :scratch:Just got back from HD . The tint is now VL, I asked why the L and the saleswomen thinks its more concentrated ???
Color does not say Magenta , ...says Violet ??? # (46914Z).
That may work, but it's problematic getting true colors from a photo of a color. The best thing to do is to send me a 1" painted sample to measure with my spectro.I will take pics from H.D of Base and Tint in a few days and post them here just to be sure I have everything right ok
There are 384 drops per fluid ounce of tint in HD's tinting machines. Lowe's uses 768 drops per fl. oz. and most other paint stores using the old manual tinting system use 96 drops per fl. oz. (they sometimes call 1/96th fl. oz. a half-drop).And 5/384 means 5 drops out of 384? Right ?
It sounds like your best bet is to simply use the UPW 1050 in flat finish. The C&S™ Ultra made with that paint will have slightly less gain, but you would literally need to do a side-by-side comparison to tell the difference, most of the gain from C&S™ Ultra comes from the BASICS Silver.After calling Behr Canada we can no longer get the UPW in the Flat Enamel finish ,...only Eggshell or Flat (Flat Enamel being in between).
Here we have 1050-Flat or 2050-Eggshell. I've read the Eggshell hotspots!!
I wouldn't bother if it's a long trip....I guess i might have to drive to burlington for a Lowe's and get the New Valspar paint ?
Valspar Ultra has replaced the Valspar Ultra Premium, and a finish called Super Flat has replaced the Flat Enamel, but it can be hard to find the Super Flat since I think Lowe's finally determined it was one of the stupidest finish names in the world (most would think it was flatter than a flat finish and not more glossy). This whole replacement mess with Valspar Ultra is the main reason we have gone to recommending using Valspar Signature paint in matte finish (which while a bit more expensive has the same gloss as the old flat enamel).Ok now that i've found out that Ontario has Lowes stores , i called one to see if they had "Valspar Ultra Premium Super Flat Finish" ,.. They dont, but they have "Valspar Ultra Interior Flat "
They have Base A instead of Base 1, which is for adding tint.
Would this work ??
If you got the Valspar Ultra in flat it will still work fine unless you literally need all the gain you can get without hot spotting.I completelly missed the Signature recommendation with all the confusion and bought the one i mentioned.
Ordered it over the phone and sister from toronto is picking it up before she leaves for my place in Montreal !
(most would think it was flatter than a flat finish and not more glossy).
Yes your right , i bought the flat because it thought it would be LESS flat than Super Flat !!!
OK , so now i need the "Signature matte finish" ,base A with the tint 115-.67.
I'm gonna get this right eventually Harpmaker !!!