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For a while, I had my two Q18's in an extended cab ranger running on 2200w. They were extremely held back by box size, I believe they were in a 4cu.ft tuned to 29hz, but there was a considerable amount of port compression. They still sounded fairly musical though.

I recently bought a Sundown X15 to go in the truck instead of the 18's. The sub sounds extremely musical and accurate, but the mid bass region is leaving lots to be desired (50hz and up). The sub is just EATING amp power above 50hz or so, and not creating much kick drum hits or anything of the sorts. The lows though...they're insane. 2-4 of the X18's in an LLT would be insane in a room... Anyways, my question is this. How can I improve "midbass" response in that range?

Currently the X15 is in a 3cu.ft tuned to 32hz, running on 2200w and taking it like a champ even though it's only rated for 1250w. Even with the highpass at 10hz on my amp, I can play any content at near clipping levels and still not reach xmax or much past it. (It's got 4" travel peak to peak so I'm not worried about that amount of power going to it lol)
I'm to the point where I'm considering returning it to SSA and see about exchanging it for a SSA Xcon 15...that driver seems like it would be capable of what I want to achieve. Plenty of xmax for the low content, relatively high sensitivity, I just haven't been able to throw it into WinISD yet to see how it compares to the X15 in there.

Any opinions on other drivers or box configurations are more than welcome. I can fit around 5.6cu.ft after port volume accounted for in the last box I built, the port was 7"x50" so I can fit a decent sized box in the truck. I really like how this sub sounds, I have not even two hours of play time on it so maybe once it breaks in more the bass region where it's lacking will pick up.
 

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Round......5. :D

I will get a simulation here soon. I have simulated the X series 15 a LOT. Will probably be my next subwoofer. Also going to be getting some 10" X series also. Just off the top of my head you wont be hitting Xmax until around 20 something Hz. You probably are going to hit Mechanical limits around 16 or so Hz. So try not to play many "chopped and screwed," tracks.

The hardest thing for me to do was to find a cabinet design that allowed me to have RMS power and hit Xmax. These subwoofer from Sundown are crazy. Hitting 30mm excursion takes a LOT of power. I looked at getting a NSv3 15" until I saw I would need something like 7000watts to just hit Xmax without a hpass at 10hz on a 18hz tune.
 

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Round......5. :D I will get a simulation here soon. I have simulated the X series 15 a LOT. Will probably be my next subwoofer. Also going to be getting some 10" X series also. Just off the top of my head you wont be hitting Xmax until around 20 something Hz. You probably are going to hit Mechanical limits around 16 or so Hz. So try not to play many "chopped and screwed," tracks. The hardest thing for me to do was to find a cabinet design that allowed me to have RMS power and hit Xmax. These subwoofer from Sundown are crazy. Hitting 30mm excursion takes a LOT of power. I looked at getting a NSv3 15" until I saw I would need something like 7000watts to just hit Xmax without a hpass at 10hz on a 18hz tune.
I've played a 17hz song by bassotronics and I still have probably 2" of travel left. Lol. Now that it's breaking in its sounding a bit better but I'm still curious as to what my options would be for different box configurations or a different sub as well. I think this 15 could handle 3000w with ease lol. I'm not sure about how well it would be able to cool itself at that power but speaking in regards to excursion capabilities, 3k would be a walk in the park for it outside of WinISD's calculations
 

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I am curious if it is even getting 2000watts then. You should be breaking it at 16hz with 2000watts.
 

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I am curious if it is even getting 2000watts then. You should be breaking it at 16hz with 2000watts.
I'm thinking the amp doesn't have a true 10hz HPF, and with differences in box impedance it's probably not seeing a full 2200 at 16hz and below. Box its in now is 3cu.ft tuned to 32hz
 

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10hz 2nd order will keep it from going over 53mm.
 

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I dont worry about extreme excursion levels after porting. I have learned from others that WiniISD is not perfect. It tends to simulate a lossy cabinet for sealed and tends to exaggerate the excursion levels. So being close to 50mm your probably still safe unless your amp truly delivers 2000watts while doing sign waves.

Any videos of them moving? :D

Love Jacobs videos and cant wait to get my hands on my first pair of Sundown subwoofers.
 

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Any specs on this X-15?

Anyway, its construction and even Sundown's description pretty much limits it to a true subwoofer, so not surprised with its performance.

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On the same website that has the description are the T/S.
 

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Thanks! Hmm, any idea why Google keeps pointing me to the other site? Historically, I have no problems with going straight to what I want.

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It sims a nice 16 Hz TQWT in ~226 L/8 ft^3 net, even in the 5.6 ft^3 net truck cab.

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GPM are you using HornRESP? And were you able to hit Xmax with only RMS wattage?

That seems to be the hardest part for me and most of the Sundown lineup. Hitting Xmax with RMS wattage or at least near it cant always be done in a simple alignment.
 

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Correctomundo! Sure! At least in 2pi sims.

5.6 ft^3 = TQWT1 file
8 ft^3 = TQWT2 file

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The simulations from HR look horrible. I think there must be a incorrect data point when loaded to HTS or something else?

Or are you trying to only have 14-16hz performance?

You gain 2db roughly over ported at 16hz but above that you have significant less SPL.
 

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the mid bass region is leaving lots to be desired (50hz and up). not creating much kick drum hits or anything of the sorts
Perhaps I am out of the know since it has been many years since I have built a car sub (I used Image Dynamics). However, I have never found a large diameter sub that gives you that kick in the back. For this I used sealed 10s. Musically I have never enjoyed a ported subwoofer I have always built sealed, however I never listen to hiphop music with that extreme level of bass.
 

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Perhaps I am out of the know since it has been many years since I have built a car sub (I used Image Dynamics). However, I have never found a large diameter sub that gives you that kick in the back. For this I used sealed 10s. Musically I have never enjoyed a ported subwoofer I have always built sealed, however I never listen to hiphop music with that extreme level of bass.[/QUOTE

It's all in how you build the boxes. My Q18's hit so hard and accurate you couldn't see straight and they'd make it a challenge to breathe on rap songs lol


Give me a second to read through the rest of the replies guys!
 

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The size has nothing to do with the sound. Although there can be a combinations of variables that this could be true. Hardest hitting subwoofer I have ever heard was four ported 18's in a truck. That being said a lot has to do with the design, suspension makeup and electronics to go with the subwoofer system.

You can have dynamic sound in any size subwoofer.

Just saw SJ posted before I posted.
 
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