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Da-Lite Screen Material Review

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Da-Lite Screen Material Review

Da-Lite is the largest screen manufacturer in the world. With over 90 years of expertise, they offer a wide variety of screen materials that can suit just about anyone’s home theater needs. Those of you that have read the “Gain and other confusing topics.” thread are aware of Da-Lite’s history. For those of you that haven’t read it (you should!) here’s a brief synopsis from Bill’s post:

First a brief bit of history about the ‘Silver Screen’.
At the turn of the century, 1909 to be specific, motion pictures were becoming the rage. One problem that plagued the fledgling theater industry was that projectors and screen materials at that time were extremely limited and crude by today’s standards. This resulted in images being very dim and quite hard to see, but the public was still fascinated with moving pictures.

Adele DeBerri owned a theater in Chicago during this era. She was a unique individual, remember this was an era when women typically did not own and operate a business. Not only was she a pioneer in that respect, but she was an innovator as well. Adele had the idea to paint the screen image area with a silver paint that was highly reflective and therefore would reflect more light back at the viewing audience. That’s how the ‘Silver Screen’ was born. What many may not be aware of is Adele went on to developed a silver painted canvas projection screen that quickly became the standard for the industry. Da-Lite Screen Company, Inc. is the successor to the business founded in Chicago in 1909 by Adele DeBerri.

The reason for high gain screens date back to the earlier example of turn of the century projectors that needed something to focus the light and make the image brighter. Today projectors are much more sophisticated and ten fold better than the old ‘moving picture’ projectors back at the turn of the century. The projectors currently available are so bright that if a person was to look directly into the lens it could cause permanent eye damage. So if our newer projectors are significantly brighter than even projectors made ten years ago let alone turn of the century technology, and gain is to produce a brighter image- why do people still seek a high gain screen? Situation and setting is often the main reason. Excessively large screens also come to mind.
When I emailed Da-Lite for samples they originally sent me the small 6.5”X6.5” sample booklet that they’d send out to potential customers. After finishing my other reviews I had decided against doing a review with samples that small and decided to email Da-Lite again. They put me in touch with Wendy Long, who’s a customer service rep for them. Wendy was understanding in what I wanted to accomplish and agreed to send me 5 samples. The Da-Mat, High Power, Cinema Vision, XX XX. Upon reviewing that list there were others that I wanted to look at as well, so I emailed a request for those as well. Da-Lite was very accommodating in sending what I had requested. If you’re following along so far I think you can see where I’m going with this. Every time I emailed them I had an email back the next day. Customer Service is obviously a very high priority with Da-Lite. They may be the largest screen manufacturer in the world but they haven’t forgotten about customer service!

The Samples

Here’s the list of samples along with the synopsis of each from Da-Lite.

High Power

This screen surface is a technological breakthrough, providing the reflectivity and optical characteristics of a traditional glass beaded surface with the ability to clean the surface when necessary. Its textured surface provides the highest gain of all front projection screen surfaces with no resolution loss. The moderate viewing angle and its ability to reflect light back along the projection axis make this surface the best choice for situations where there is a moderate amount of ambient light and the projector is placed on a table-top or in the same horizontal viewing plane as the audience.
Gain: 2.8 Viewing Angle: 30°

Video Spectra™ 1.5

This screen surface is specially designed with a reflective coating, which provides an increased amount of brightness with a moderately reduced viewing angle. The increased gain of this surface makes it suitable for environments where ambient lighting is uncontrollable and a projector with moderate light output is utilized.
Gain: 1.5 Viewing Angle: 35°

Da-Mat™

A screen surface with a smooth, white vinyl finish for precise image reproduction. Provides an exceptionally wide viewing angle and no resolution loss. It is a highly flexible fabric that may be folded or rolled. Its versatility makes it a great choice for situations with good control over ambient light and where an exceptionally wide viewing angle is necessary.
Gain: 1.0 Viewing Angle: 60°

Cinema Vision

A unique non-supported vinyl fabric that offers a bright, uniform image with no color shift at any viewing angle. This surface is designed to provide a higher amount of brightness for lower output projector types such as CRT. Its increased reflectivity will help enhance the image brightness in situations where a low level of ambient light is present.
Gain: 1.3 Viewing Angle: 45°


Pearlescent

A non-supported vinyl fabric, offering a higher degree of reflectivity and brilliance without loss of image quality or resolution. This surface is a good choice when projecting video images with a lower output projector and where there is a high amount of ambient light present.
Gain: 1.5 Viewing Angle: 40°


Audio Vision

Designed for applications where a more realistic soundstage is desired, this fabric allows for the installation of speakers to be placed behind the surface. With virtually no sound loss and good image quality, this fabric provides the same optical characteristics as the Da-Mat Surface with specially designed perforations to allow sound to pass through the screen material.
Gain: 1.0 Viewing Angle: 50°


High Contrast Cinema Vision

Designed for today's moderate output DLP and LCD projectors, this screen surface is a great choice when video images are the main source of information being projected and where ambient lighting is moderately controlled. With its specially designed gray base surface and a reflective top surface, this screen material is able to provide very good black levels and brilliant white levels. This screen surface provides deep life-like colors and greater detail and sharpness to the image.
Gain: 1.1 Viewing Angle: 50°


High Contrast Audio Vision

With the same optical characteristics as the High Contrast Da-Mat material, this surface is designed to provide the viewer with a more realistic soundstage by placing speakers behind the screen and allowing the sound to be transmitted through the material. This screen surface is best used when there is a good control of ambient lighting and a moderately wide viewing angle is desired.
Gain: 0.8 Viewing Angle: 45°


Silver Matte

A uniquely designed screen surface with a specifically designed silver finish. This surface is perfect for situations where a silver surface is necessary for a polarized 3-D projection. The matte finish of this surface successfully rejects ambient light. Screen surface can be cleaned with mild soap and water. Flame retardant and mildew resistant.
Gain: 1.3 Viewing Angle: 30°


The Testing Environment

I’ve stated this before and I’ll state it again. I’m just an average Joe with a home theater. I do not have any fancy equipment (yet – some of it is on the way though!) for testing these things other than a very good camera, an average home theater and my eyes.

The projector is a Mitsubishi HC3000U which is rated 1000 ANSI lumens and 4000:1 contrast ratio. It is set up and calibrated for my gray screen.

The camera is an Olympus Evolt 500 with a Zuiko 14-45mm f3.5-5.6 lens. I’ve been an Olympus guy for over 20 years and this camera is no slouch! The cameras is set up on a tripod about 10.5 feet back from the screen and it's raised to about head level when I'm sitting on the couch - about 42 inches. There are a couple of shots in the original shoot that I raised the camera up as high as it would go. This was a vain attempt on my part to squeeze a High Power review without taking my projector down. I realized this was vain very quickly and redid the shots.

The DVD player is an Oppo 971H.

The DirecTV receiver is a HR20.

All shots are taken in RAW format. RAW format, for those that are unfamiliar with the term, is the unprocessed digital image direct from the camera’s sensor. These shots are then loaded into Adobe Bridge and color balanced utilizing Raw Workflow’s WhiBal card. This gives you as accurate color reproduction that I’m capable of at this time.

From Raw Workflow's webpage:

The single WhiBal card is light Gray, certified to recommended Luminance level of L* = ~75, which is optimum for use in all RAW converters.

Having a "GrayCard" reference is the best assurance that the digital pictures that you capture will have the ability to be properly White Balanced. Only with a proper White Balance can you be ensured of proper and accurate color, regardless of lighting conditions. Unlike your eyes, a digital camera does not automatically see whites as white. It sees the color of the light reflected from it, hence blue-ish in Daylight and Orange-ish in incandescent lighting. By photographing a Gray Card reference for each lighting situation that you are in, you are assured of being able to achieve a proper White Balance for all of your pictures.The Gray Card reference picture can be used with today's software to balance the color casts that various lighting conditions produce with all digital cameras. The best method to properly White Balance your digital pictures is by using a Gray Card properly and shooting RAW. RAW Conversion Software such as Adobe Camera Raw and RawShooter can then perfectly adjust all the captures that were shot under the same lighting conditions.
They have a number of videos on their webpage related to neutrality as well. If you want to learn more about the WhiBal card or neutrality and how it relates to both photos and screens I suggest you visit their site.

Here are the various Whibal shots for this review:







I used simple one eighth inch pegboard to hang the samples in front of my screen.



They were attached using brass two prong thumbtacks.



Here’s a few shots of the samples layed out on the floor. Can you guess which one’s the High Power?



And one with some of them hung up.



There are two different lighting scenarios in the following posts, moderate ambient and totally dark. Moderate ambient is a term I'll use for the back five cans being on at around 80%. It's enough for someone to read a book while someone else is viewing the screen. Why? Because more and more people are using their theaters not only for movies, but for television as well. And sometimes the wife and or husband does not care to watch what the significant other is viewing, but still prefers to stay in the same room.

In the High Power review postings there will be three ambient scenarios. No ambient, moderate ambient, and one with all lights on including the two near the screen. This screen is being sold as a moderate ambient light rejecting screen so I had to put it through the wringers! Here's a shot of moderate and high ambient.



In the near future I should be able to measure this ambient light. When I can I'll edit in the values here.

Also I have a couple shots of the High Power setup:

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Ahmed,
You're getting me into territory that I'm unfamiliar with - Audio!
My apologies...I did not mean to.
Have you tried chatting with a Da-Lite representative on their web page? They do have a live chat feature. :T
mech
I will tomorrow for sure

Thanks!
I just tried it and a message stated that I've reached them outside their normal business hours...

Can anyone tell me how I can procure some samples? I didn't even see anything on their website about screen material, just pre built screens. Do they actually offer mateial for diy use?
That's wierd! First time I've not seen someone in their chat. I suppose it has to do with the holidays. :dunno:

I'd call them on Monday or try again later. You have to get the material from someone other than DaLite. :T

mech
Mech...did you ever get any more information or additional testing of the silver matte? I am looking for a roll up version of the BW....would you recommend the silver matte as a BW alternative?
Kent,

The difference between Silver Matte and Black Widow is that BW is neutral. Silver Matte has a bit of a blue push to it. But if you can afford the Silver Matte, I'd go with the Silver Matte. I'm not sure what you can get the material for lately. Silver Matte has a gain of 1.3 and is darker than BW if I recall correctly.

Da-Lite did respond that Silver Matte was used for pull down screens in well lit areas. The main use was for schools.

mech
I'm gonna call dalite but the last time I dealt with them I did not get the feeling I was speaking with some one with passion for the home theater more like you say you have x and the manual says you should use y screen.

What screen material would come closes to your BW if I have to buy one as opposed to make one?
spoke with dalite and they were nice enough and are sending me two 12x12" samples "the largest they are allowed to send" of hcmw and sm but the person asked me very few questions about my set up and so he was very little help and he was pushing me away from silver matte. Have you tried the stewart gray screens?
I have spoken to them but they tend to be very pricey (few thousand dollars)...I almost picked a tab tensioned stewart greyhawk screen from Ebay yeasterday for a few hundread dollars but was out bid after I went to bed :hissyfit:

Dalite is about $200.00 for a 90" verticle model "B" silver matte pull down (manual non tab tensioned pull down)....they were pushing high contrast matt white but if I read your summary correctly that did not impress ya'll.
I did like the Silver Matte a lot. What it's issues are though are unknown to me. I did only test something like a 2' sample so maybe as a full screen it hot spots? :dunno: They're not very forth coming with info regarding it and they do really try to push their other stuff.

If you can wait a while - end of April at the latest - I'll have reviews of a lot more material, including some of Elite's new stuff. Elite seems to give more bang for your buck I believe. Someday I'll have to look around and see what all of these screens really go for out in the real market.

Also, there may be a screen giveaway or two in the not too distant future! ;)
Ok got my 12"x12" samples from dalite of Silver matte and high contrast matte white (which is gray not white). First of all the silver matte is very dark and matte white is gray but lighter than silver matte. I also noticed silver matte reflects allot of light just sitting around in my office waiting to put up in my home for test...also it seems to show wrinkles more than the HCCMW (first thought the SM was just more wrinkled but can not seem to get it visually "flat").

Nothing scientific here just taped the two samples onto my existing screen (screen in going to be replaced so I don't have to worry about tape marks on the existing screen). Existing screen is dalite high power...once you place the sm and hcmw on the hp you can see that even the lighter hcmw is a "grey screen". I assumed the SM would be darker than hcmw and hcmw would be darker than hp just based on the light to dark color (hp light, hcmw medium, sm dark) but that assumtion was not ture. The SM actually looked as light as the hp once you projected an image on it with the hcmw bieng the "darkest" of the three. The SM and hcmw did have darker blacks (at least what you think you see) than the hp and bolth seemed to have a better viewing angle than the HP and they also don't appear to be retro reflective (you can use sm and hcmw for a ceiling mounted projector). All seemed well and pointing to sm until some scenes with mostly "light" not really "bright" produced a strange visual. The best way I can describe is is that the screen "sheen or reflective elements" just seemed overpowered or over worked and the picture almost blurred. I will do some additional testing of the two this evening but at this point I am leaning toward the HCMW or painting my old screen BW and hoping for the best (I am also considering painting the samples as this would give me an idea of how the larger screen would "hold the paint" with little time/money to invest in a 12x12 sample).

I will research the BW thread to see in the AAA additive produces a similar "blur or smear" when a lighter seen is projected....
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Kent,

You have a High Power right now? Is the pj set up for retro-reflective? The SM should not be brighter than a HP when the HP is set up properly. When the pj is set up angular reflective and calibrated for the SM, then it would be a different ball game.
The HP was purchased when I owned a different projecter and a different house. The old prjector was less bright (sony vpl w-400q) and was built into a book shelf that was just above head height when seated to view movies (so in that set up the angles was ok). I have since aquired two other projectors and bought a new home (this one have the projector mounted via mount to ceiling so when seated the viewing angle is no longer correct). Addiotnally the current projector pany ax200u has a brighter picture so even if viewing angle was correct I don't need the HP gain.

My origonal plan was to paint your BW on the HP screen but folks seem to think the paint would crack....that lead me to silver matte (through you review)thinking that it might be similiar to BW and availible as a roll up.

Currently think just paint the HP screen w/t BW and live with what ever happens or just buy hcmw as a new roll up........any advice will be appreciated. As my wife sys I am mildly obsessed with this.
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I have the Panny AX200u and totally love it. I can say from first hand experience you definitely can handle BW and your whites will still appear white but the blacks will be very dark and inky. Of course if you put a white screen reference up the whites won't look as good as the white reference, but also the blacks on the white reference won't look as good.
I will research the BW thread to see in the AAA additive produces a similar "blur or smear" when a lighter seen is projected....
I can attest I haven't had a problem with that and haven't heard anyone else mention it either.

I really doubt you'll have a problem like that. Something to keep in mind is Black Widow is being used as the screens in a commercial flight simulator to train pilots. If there was a blur or focus/detail issue I'm sure they would be the first to say something! :)
To clarify the issue i was describing was on SM not BW as I have never seen a BW. I Think the issue is due to the "sheen" in the SM screen I will watch more material this evening and see If I can better describe it.
The HP was purchased when I owned a different projecter and a different house. The old prjector was less bright (sony vpl w-400q) and was built into a book shelf that was just above head height when seated to view movies (so in that set up the angles was ok). I have since aquired two other projectors and bought a new home (this one have the projector mounted via mount to ceiling so when seated the viewing angle is no longer correct). Addiotnally the current projector pany ax200u has a brighter picture so even if viewing angle was correct I don't need the HP gain.
Ahhh I see now. :T Makes sense to me.

My origonal plan was to paint your BW on the HP screen but folks seem to think the paint would crack....that lead me to silver matte (through you review)thinking that it might be similiar to BW and availible as a roll up.
Silver Matte is brighter than BW with a slight blue push.

Currently think just paint the HP screen w/t BW and live with what ever happens or just buy hcmw as a new roll up........any advice will be appreciated. As my wife sys I am mildly obsessed with this.
Another option may be an Elite CineGray. :huh: Let's face it, you don't need the gain. So find something around 1 or less. And you'll keep a wide viewing cone in the process. :yes:
To clarify the issue i was describing was on SM not BW as I have never seen a BW. I Think the issue is due to the "sheen" in the SM screen I will watch more material this evening and see If I can better describe it.
Yeah let us know. I'll see if I can reproduce it with my large sample. :T
Ahhh I see now. :T Makes sense to me.



Silver Matte is brighter than BW with a slight blue push.



Another option may be an Elite CineGray. :huh: Let's face it, you don't need the gain. So find something around 1 or less. And you'll keep a wide viewing cone in the process. :yes:
NO NO NO not more options.......I don't think I'll ever make a choice:dizzy:

I think dalite and elite are about the same costs...so not sure why I should head the elite direction.

I read a thread that you did roll vs spray BW..was that the BB BW and did the added water mess with the process?
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