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Da-Lite Screen Material Review

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Da-Lite Screen Material Review

Da-Lite is the largest screen manufacturer in the world. With over 90 years of expertise, they offer a wide variety of screen materials that can suit just about anyone’s home theater needs. Those of you that have read the “Gain and other confusing topics.” thread are aware of Da-Lite’s history. For those of you that haven’t read it (you should!) here’s a brief synopsis from Bill’s post:

First a brief bit of history about the ‘Silver Screen’.
At the turn of the century, 1909 to be specific, motion pictures were becoming the rage. One problem that plagued the fledgling theater industry was that projectors and screen materials at that time were extremely limited and crude by today’s standards. This resulted in images being very dim and quite hard to see, but the public was still fascinated with moving pictures.

Adele DeBerri owned a theater in Chicago during this era. She was a unique individual, remember this was an era when women typically did not own and operate a business. Not only was she a pioneer in that respect, but she was an innovator as well. Adele had the idea to paint the screen image area with a silver paint that was highly reflective and therefore would reflect more light back at the viewing audience. That’s how the ‘Silver Screen’ was born. What many may not be aware of is Adele went on to developed a silver painted canvas projection screen that quickly became the standard for the industry. Da-Lite Screen Company, Inc. is the successor to the business founded in Chicago in 1909 by Adele DeBerri.

The reason for high gain screens date back to the earlier example of turn of the century projectors that needed something to focus the light and make the image brighter. Today projectors are much more sophisticated and ten fold better than the old ‘moving picture’ projectors back at the turn of the century. The projectors currently available are so bright that if a person was to look directly into the lens it could cause permanent eye damage. So if our newer projectors are significantly brighter than even projectors made ten years ago let alone turn of the century technology, and gain is to produce a brighter image- why do people still seek a high gain screen? Situation and setting is often the main reason. Excessively large screens also come to mind.
When I emailed Da-Lite for samples they originally sent me the small 6.5”X6.5” sample booklet that they’d send out to potential customers. After finishing my other reviews I had decided against doing a review with samples that small and decided to email Da-Lite again. They put me in touch with Wendy Long, who’s a customer service rep for them. Wendy was understanding in what I wanted to accomplish and agreed to send me 5 samples. The Da-Mat, High Power, Cinema Vision, XX XX. Upon reviewing that list there were others that I wanted to look at as well, so I emailed a request for those as well. Da-Lite was very accommodating in sending what I had requested. If you’re following along so far I think you can see where I’m going with this. Every time I emailed them I had an email back the next day. Customer Service is obviously a very high priority with Da-Lite. They may be the largest screen manufacturer in the world but they haven’t forgotten about customer service!

The Samples

Here’s the list of samples along with the synopsis of each from Da-Lite.

High Power

This screen surface is a technological breakthrough, providing the reflectivity and optical characteristics of a traditional glass beaded surface with the ability to clean the surface when necessary. Its textured surface provides the highest gain of all front projection screen surfaces with no resolution loss. The moderate viewing angle and its ability to reflect light back along the projection axis make this surface the best choice for situations where there is a moderate amount of ambient light and the projector is placed on a table-top or in the same horizontal viewing plane as the audience.
Gain: 2.8 Viewing Angle: 30°

Video Spectra™ 1.5

This screen surface is specially designed with a reflective coating, which provides an increased amount of brightness with a moderately reduced viewing angle. The increased gain of this surface makes it suitable for environments where ambient lighting is uncontrollable and a projector with moderate light output is utilized.
Gain: 1.5 Viewing Angle: 35°

Da-Mat™

A screen surface with a smooth, white vinyl finish for precise image reproduction. Provides an exceptionally wide viewing angle and no resolution loss. It is a highly flexible fabric that may be folded or rolled. Its versatility makes it a great choice for situations with good control over ambient light and where an exceptionally wide viewing angle is necessary.
Gain: 1.0 Viewing Angle: 60°

Cinema Vision

A unique non-supported vinyl fabric that offers a bright, uniform image with no color shift at any viewing angle. This surface is designed to provide a higher amount of brightness for lower output projector types such as CRT. Its increased reflectivity will help enhance the image brightness in situations where a low level of ambient light is present.
Gain: 1.3 Viewing Angle: 45°


Pearlescent

A non-supported vinyl fabric, offering a higher degree of reflectivity and brilliance without loss of image quality or resolution. This surface is a good choice when projecting video images with a lower output projector and where there is a high amount of ambient light present.
Gain: 1.5 Viewing Angle: 40°


Audio Vision

Designed for applications where a more realistic soundstage is desired, this fabric allows for the installation of speakers to be placed behind the surface. With virtually no sound loss and good image quality, this fabric provides the same optical characteristics as the Da-Mat Surface with specially designed perforations to allow sound to pass through the screen material.
Gain: 1.0 Viewing Angle: 50°


High Contrast Cinema Vision

Designed for today's moderate output DLP and LCD projectors, this screen surface is a great choice when video images are the main source of information being projected and where ambient lighting is moderately controlled. With its specially designed gray base surface and a reflective top surface, this screen material is able to provide very good black levels and brilliant white levels. This screen surface provides deep life-like colors and greater detail and sharpness to the image.
Gain: 1.1 Viewing Angle: 50°


High Contrast Audio Vision

With the same optical characteristics as the High Contrast Da-Mat material, this surface is designed to provide the viewer with a more realistic soundstage by placing speakers behind the screen and allowing the sound to be transmitted through the material. This screen surface is best used when there is a good control of ambient lighting and a moderately wide viewing angle is desired.
Gain: 0.8 Viewing Angle: 45°


Silver Matte

A uniquely designed screen surface with a specifically designed silver finish. This surface is perfect for situations where a silver surface is necessary for a polarized 3-D projection. The matte finish of this surface successfully rejects ambient light. Screen surface can be cleaned with mild soap and water. Flame retardant and mildew resistant.
Gain: 1.3 Viewing Angle: 30°


The Testing Environment

I’ve stated this before and I’ll state it again. I’m just an average Joe with a home theater. I do not have any fancy equipment (yet – some of it is on the way though!) for testing these things other than a very good camera, an average home theater and my eyes.

The projector is a Mitsubishi HC3000U which is rated 1000 ANSI lumens and 4000:1 contrast ratio. It is set up and calibrated for my gray screen.

The camera is an Olympus Evolt 500 with a Zuiko 14-45mm f3.5-5.6 lens. I’ve been an Olympus guy for over 20 years and this camera is no slouch! The cameras is set up on a tripod about 10.5 feet back from the screen and it's raised to about head level when I'm sitting on the couch - about 42 inches. There are a couple of shots in the original shoot that I raised the camera up as high as it would go. This was a vain attempt on my part to squeeze a High Power review without taking my projector down. I realized this was vain very quickly and redid the shots.

The DVD player is an Oppo 971H.

The DirecTV receiver is a HR20.

All shots are taken in RAW format. RAW format, for those that are unfamiliar with the term, is the unprocessed digital image direct from the camera’s sensor. These shots are then loaded into Adobe Bridge and color balanced utilizing Raw Workflow’s WhiBal card. This gives you as accurate color reproduction that I’m capable of at this time.

From Raw Workflow's webpage:

The single WhiBal card is light Gray, certified to recommended Luminance level of L* = ~75, which is optimum for use in all RAW converters.

Having a "GrayCard" reference is the best assurance that the digital pictures that you capture will have the ability to be properly White Balanced. Only with a proper White Balance can you be ensured of proper and accurate color, regardless of lighting conditions. Unlike your eyes, a digital camera does not automatically see whites as white. It sees the color of the light reflected from it, hence blue-ish in Daylight and Orange-ish in incandescent lighting. By photographing a Gray Card reference for each lighting situation that you are in, you are assured of being able to achieve a proper White Balance for all of your pictures.The Gray Card reference picture can be used with today's software to balance the color casts that various lighting conditions produce with all digital cameras. The best method to properly White Balance your digital pictures is by using a Gray Card properly and shooting RAW. RAW Conversion Software such as Adobe Camera Raw and RawShooter can then perfectly adjust all the captures that were shot under the same lighting conditions.
They have a number of videos on their webpage related to neutrality as well. If you want to learn more about the WhiBal card or neutrality and how it relates to both photos and screens I suggest you visit their site.

Here are the various Whibal shots for this review:







I used simple one eighth inch pegboard to hang the samples in front of my screen.



They were attached using brass two prong thumbtacks.



Here’s a few shots of the samples layed out on the floor. Can you guess which one’s the High Power?



And one with some of them hung up.



There are two different lighting scenarios in the following posts, moderate ambient and totally dark. Moderate ambient is a term I'll use for the back five cans being on at around 80%. It's enough for someone to read a book while someone else is viewing the screen. Why? Because more and more people are using their theaters not only for movies, but for television as well. And sometimes the wife and or husband does not care to watch what the significant other is viewing, but still prefers to stay in the same room.

In the High Power review postings there will be three ambient scenarios. No ambient, moderate ambient, and one with all lights on including the two near the screen. This screen is being sold as a moderate ambient light rejecting screen so I had to put it through the wringers! Here's a shot of moderate and high ambient.



In the near future I should be able to measure this ambient light. When I can I'll edit in the values here.

Also I have a couple shots of the High Power setup:

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NO NO NO not more options.......I don't think I'll ever make a choice:dizzy:

I think dalite and elite are about the same costs...so not sure why I should head the elite direction.

I read a thread that you did roll vs spray BW..was that the BB BW and did the added water mess with the process?
Da-Lite and Elite are the same price huh? I always thought Elite was a bit cheaper. :scratch: I know they are for fixed screens. :huh:

I rolled most of my panels. But I sprayed my screen. :T
I just called elite and they only offer a white screen as roll up...I told the rep that the website says otherwise but she told me all but white screens were cancelled for manual pull down for 2009....that makes the dalite vs elite issue easy for me to resolve.

92" verticle sm or hcmw dalite pull down with tension bar (not tab tensioned just a lockable bar in the back of the scree) is selling for $200.00
The big difference between the fiberglass material and the vinyl material is the vinyl feels like it has some elasticity to it while the fiberglass is a bit more firm.
Great resource thread, thanks! I loved seeing all the screen patches at the same time for comparison. I was confused as to what was what on that last HP v. ____ section where you had 3 rows of 6 pics at various angles, but it probably doesn't matter since I really don't think I could make a HP work in my situation anyway.

So, my question becomes... since this Video Spectra fiberglass material is more firm is it subject to the waving of other materials in a pull down screen? I have heard that HP is not as susceptible as other materials and am hoping that is true with the VS as well. I will be needing to be able to take the screen down between uses so I don't think I want an electric screen which seems to rule out tensioned screens.

Also curious as to how far from center screen your projector was when it was on the ceiling. The HP still looked best to me even though it was not under its optimum conditions. I might go with one even though I will have my PJ on the ceiling, is that dumb? I guess I really should just wait until I have the PJ and maybe I can get some samples and test it out. Are you allowed to say where I can get samples?

Thanks.
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So, my question becomes... since this Video Spectra fiberglass material is more firm is it subject to the waving of other materials in a pull down screen?
Good question! I'd guess not but I'd check with Da-Lite anyways before purchasing. They have an online chat function on their webpage. I'd ask them there.

Also curious as to how far from center screen your projector was when it was on the ceiling. The HP still looked best to me even though it was not under its optimum conditions. I might go with one even though I will have my PJ on the ceiling, is that dumb? I guess I really should just wait until I have the PJ and maybe I can get some samples and test it out. Are you allowed to say where I can get samples?

Thanks.
The MHC3000 was ~12.5 feet from the screen. I wouldn't go with the High Power for a ceiling mounted projector. I can't make a determination as to what I would think would work best for you without more information, like the pj, room setup, etc.

You can get samples directly from Da-Lite. I don't think they'd send the large samples they sent me though. You can ask though. ;)

Also, the High Power was being compared to the Silver Matte material. :T
Good question! I'd guess not but I'd check with Da-Lite anyways before purchasing. They have an online chat function on their webpage. I'd ask them there.



The MHC3000 was ~12.5 feet from the screen. I wouldn't go with the High Power for a ceiling mounted projector. I can't make a determination as to what I would think would work best for you without more information, like the pj, room setup, etc.

You can get samples directly from Da-Lite. I don't think they'd send the large samples they sent me though. You can ask though. ;)

Also, the High Power was being compared to the Silver Matte material. :T
If you do not need the gain the HP is still a good screen to consider, especially if you are looking at a retractable screen. The HP has a very nice surface. You don't see it. You just see the image. Also the HP is very good about not developing waves compared to other retractable screens and the HP does a good job of hiding the waves if any develop. The HP is the only non tab tensioned retractable screen I would use.
Yeah, that's why I'm pretty sure I'll be getting the HP. I need a retractable and I don't want electric due to the weight since I have to be able to take it down. Judging by the pics in the first round the HP still seems beneficial even with a ceiling mounted PJ.

mech - how high in relation to the screen is the PJ? Just trying to figure out the relationship of the lens/screen/viewer since I still think the HP looks the best against the other swatches in your pics.

I'm getting an Epson 7500UB and I'm now thinking it would be mounted approximately 13' from a 106" screen, at an approximate height of 8.5'. Lots of daytime ambient light, not too controllable but it's mostly for movies at night. I'm planning on also having an LCD HDTV in the room for daytime/casual viewing.
Please keep in mind folks that when the HP is used outside it's raison d'etre it rapidly becomes just another white screen (for lack of a better phrase) and the extra money paid for it may be considered ill-spent.

The HP will only aid in ambient light situations where the ambient light is not coming from the same angle as the viewer (such as from over their shoulder) AND the projector is close to the viewers viewing angle (table or shelf mounted for setting viewers).

Most people never stop to think about how retro-reflection works even though they see examples of it almost every day. The common examples are road signs and license plates. While the glass beads used to make the HP are MUCH smaller than the beads in these examples the action is the same. If you take a flashlight out some night and shine it on your car's license plate with the light held close to your head the license will shine brightly, but if you stay in the same position and move the light out to arm's length to the right or left you will see a drastic reduction in the reflected brightness.

What the HP screen does it does well, but it is a special purpose screen.
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mech - how high in relation to the screen is the PJ? Just trying to figure out the relationship of the lens/screen/viewer since I still think the HP looks the best against the other swatches in your pics.
The pj lens was about 7' from the floor. The lens is about in-line with the top of the screen IIRC.

What does a HP roll up screen cost nowadays? If it were me I'd go with one of the cheaper products. The High Power is for ambient light situations and you say you're using it for movies at night mostly so I would think twice about it. You could very easily get by with a white screen.

I plugged your numbers into the calculator at PJCentral. Per your dimensions and using the HP's published gain, you have 53fL image brightness. That's 4 times what it should be! :yikes:

I'd go gray if I were you. If money is not an object, look into the Stewart Grayhawk G3. It should do what you want it to. Too expensive? Look into Elite's CineGray or Da-Lite's HD Progressive 0.9. If you stick with lights out viewing, go for the VMAx that we're giving away. ;)

I really do believe the High Power would be overkill in your situation.
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Please keep in mind folks that when the HP is used outside it's raison d'etre it rapidly becomes just another white screen (for lack of a better phrase) and the extra money paid for it may be considered ill-spent.

The HP will only aid in ambient light situations where the ambient light is not coming from the same angle as the viewer (such as from over their shoulder) AND the projector is close to the viewers viewing angle (table or shelf mounted for setting viewers).

Most people never stop to think about how retro-reflection works even though they see examples of it almost every day. The common examples are road signs and license plates. While the glass beads used to make the HP are MUCH smaller than the beads in these examples the action is the same. If you take a flashlight out some night and shine it on your car's license plate with the light held close to your head the license will shine brightly, but if you stay in the same position and move the light out to arm's length to the right or left you will see a drastic reduction in the reflected brightness.

What the HP screen does it does well, but it is a special purpose screen.
I understand that it's retro-reflective. It is also resistant to waving that all other pulldowns get. Even if it does get some it is not noticeable according to owners. Taking that into consideration, if you compare that to a tensioned screen of the same size then it is cheaper, not more expensive. I can get a pulldown 106" for less than $280 shipped. That is a whole lot less than any tensioned screen out there.

Also, I need a manual pulldown, so tensioned isn't an option for me. This screen material is a great way for me to avoid the non-tensioned problems and still get good performance even if I have a ceiling mounted PJ. As I said earlier, in the first round of pics in the test, where the HP is NOT being utilized as designed, it is still way better than the other screen materials imho. Sounds like a perfect solution for me. And if I find I want more gain I have thought of a way I can have the PJ just above eye level, though it will take a bit of woodworking.


The pj lens was about 7' from the floor. The lens is about in-line with the top of the screen IIRC.

What does a HP roll up screen cost nowadays? If it were me I'd go with one of the cheaper products. The High Power is for ambient light situations and you say you're using it for movies at night mostly so I would think twice about it. You could very easily get by with a white screen.

I plugged your numbers into the calculator at PJCentral. Per your dimensions and using the HP's published gain, you have 53fL image brightness. That's 4 times what it should be! :yikes:

I'd go gray if I were you. If money is not an object, look into the Stewart Grayhawk G3. It should do what you want it to. Too expensive? Look into Elite's CineGray or Da-Lite's HD Progressive 0.9. If you stick with lights out viewing, go for the VMAx that we're giving away. ;)

I really do believe the High Power would be overkill in your situation.
Price of HP isn't bad, I can get the HP 106" $280 shipped (manual pulldown model b). I think it looks better than all the others in your pics where it was mounted on the ceiling, which is where I would have it so I wouldn't be obtaining full gain. I should be getting about 1.1 gain based on configuration. Seems to me it's going to be similar to a regular matte white/cinewhite screen at worst and I don't have to worry about waves. Sounds good to me. Plus, I really don't like grey screens based on controlled comparison screenies. Too much loss of contrast, looks washed out and dingy.

I think I'm going to try it out and if it doesn't work out I'll make you a great offer on a "like new" 106" screen. :banana:
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I understand that it's retro-reflective. It is also resistant to waving that all other pulldowns get. Even if it does get some it is not noticeable according to owners. Taking that into consideration, if you compare that to a tensioned screen of the same size then it is cheaper, not more expensive. I can get a pulldown 106" for less than $280 shipped. That is a whole lot less than any tensioned screen out there.

Also, I need a manual pulldown, so tensioned isn't an option for me. This screen material is a great way for me to avoid the non-tensioned problems and still get good performance even if I have a ceiling mounted PJ. As I said earlier, in the first round of pics in the test, where the HP is NOT being utilized as designed, it is still way better than the other screen materials imho. Sounds like a perfect solution for me. And if I find I want more gain I have thought of a way I can have the PJ just above eye level, though it will take a bit of woodworking.
OK, cool! Just wanted to give folks a method for checking out retro-reflection for themselves.

BTW, I just found what I think is a good bargin for anyone wanting to try an HP. Even though it is technically a 69"x92" 4:3 screen, it has built-in stops when pulling it down so you can have the screen at other aspect ratios. Shipped to your state, feralicious, cost would be $232.96 with about a 12 day delay since it is a special order.

http://www.provantage.com/da-lite-77325~7DALI0TH.htm

Addendum:
The screen above would be 115" diagonal in 4:3, 106" in 16:9 HDTV and 100" in 2.4:1 'Scope
At those prices it's difficult to find a reason not to get it. :yikes: I need to watch these prices a little more closely. :sneeky:
Me too. ;)
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Mech, I know it was a small sample, but did you notice any moire pattern with the Audio Vision?
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Audion Vision...? Refresh my memory cd. :scratch: Who makes that?
Da-Lite.

Audio Vision

Designed for applications where a more realistic soundstage is desired, this fabric allows for the installation of speakers to be placed behind the surface. With virtually no sound loss and good image quality, this fabric provides the same optical characteristics as the Da-Mat surface with specially designed perforations to allow sound to pass through the screen material. Screen surface can be cleaned with mild soap and water. Flame retardant and mildew resistant. Viewing Angle: 60° Gain: 1.0
Hi,

:help: Anybody can recommend which projector screen material is best viewed in 120"?

Appreciate any advice.
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