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HLR6167WAX/XAA Digital board problems

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This set started having problems with tiling when cold, going green with patterns of lines, and other patterns of distorted images. It would clear up when run for a couple of hours. At the time, the digital board was on backorder, and in order to get the client up and running, I pulled the digital board from my personal set and installed it. This worked, assuring me that the digital board was the problem. I transferred the bad board to my set, and it had the same issues. After using it a while longer, it began having other symptoms, including locking up with no pix and turning off. Eventually, the set would start the lamp, never have any video nor any sound, then shut down after about a minute. It remained that way for a couple of months while I waited on a board.

Along the way, I have heard from a couple of sites, including Jason1976 here, that the problem may be connections on the DNIE chip on the digital board, near the DVI connector at the back side of the board. Apparently people were having success applying pressure to this chip. It is a BGA type (Ball Grid Array) that has pins underneath that contact points on the board. This is becoming common with high density ICs where external pin connections require larger size chips, tighter spacing, and geometries that are not efficient for the design of the chip. There are good reasons to use BGA, but they can be difficult to solder properly. Apparently, Samsung has had some issues with this chip.

One solution is to try to re-flow the slder. I don't suggest this for anyone without the right equipment. It is very easy to heat the wrong parts or overheat the chip, board, or related parts.

So I decided to experiment. I received the new board that had been on backorder, but figured I would play with the bad one as an experiment. The board is encased in a metal housing with holes. I looked in my shop for something that might fit between the chip and housing to put some pressure on the chip. I found a small bolt that happened to be just a litte too long to fit between the chip and the metal housing above it. I fitted it in, then pushed the edges of the housing down to where I could put the screws holding it all together back in. There was significant tension on the bolt, with the larger hex head end standing on the chip and the tip of the screw fitting against the metal housing (bolt standing on its head on top of the chip). It took a little pressure to get the screws back in, which was good, as it used the housing like a large spring pushing down on the bolt, which put a great deal of pressure on the chip. Simple solution if this is the problem.

The result is that the set fired up the first time and has run fine since. I don't know how long it will work, but I will run it and see. I have the other board, if anyone needs one. Keeping it will cost me an extra $50 on top of its cost, as it does have a core value and we normally send them back for credit. It will be worth it to have a new board on hand if my solution fails, or if another client needs one.

The part number for the digital board for this set is BP94-02084A. This is for the HLR6167WAX/XAA, L64C chassis type. You need to verify all of the suffixes on the service model and the chassis number to get the right board for Samsung sets, particularly these. There were many production changes and versions of these sets and some differences in the boards. Some even reportedly need to have the analog and digital boards changed together for some reason, but this one does not.
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I would not give a dime for a set like this that was not working. Maybe a few hundred if it was working perfectly. Assume that it needs a digital board. Look carefully to see if there is a shadow on any sides or corners which would indicate a bad light tunnel. Assume that the light tunnel might fall apart when the set is moved.
Yeah, I was thinking of no more than $50 since it includes the stand. But it sounds like that may even be too much.

That said, you have me worried about the light tunnel. Barring any drops or big bumps, why would it fall apart during the move?

edit: Ah, I just found a forum with an extensive discussion of the light tunnel problem. But it seems like its a recognized defect that Samsung now covers for no cost. Does this jive with your experience?
Yeah, I was thinking of no more than $50 since it includes the stand. But it sounds like that may even be too much.

That said, you have me worried about the light tunnel. Barring any drops or big bumps, why would it fall apart during the move?

edit: Ah, I just found a forum with an extensive discussion of the light tunnel problem. But it seems like its a recognized defect that Samsung now covers for no cost. Does this jive with your experience?
I seriously doubt that they will cover it at no cost on a set of this age. The reason to be concerned is that the glue gets very brittle.
I paid 50 dollars for the 50" hl-r5067wax with the matching stand. I still haven't ordred the digital board for mine. I am using the stand with the 43" samsung dlp tv I picked up for free. if the guy on ebay only wanted like 50 dollars for the part i would of bought it in a heart beat. but since he is asking way to much I will just hold out until i find a cheaper used board or maybe i will brake down and buy a new digital board one of these days. I see you said 57" I am guessing you mean the 56" hl-r5667w. I would only pay 1 dollar an inch of tv screen when it's not working.
I just completed "the fix" on my hlr-5067. I turned it on, reprogramed the channels, and...., still had the scrambled green lined picture. One strange thing with my set though is the HD feeds were generally viewable while the standard feeds were not. I have Comcast cable connected directly to the set with no converter box. So as I was watching one of the HD channels I noticed the picture seemed to improve, so I started surfing and voila! my set was fixed again. I will post again when and if my set fails again, and I think I will probably order a new digital board to have on hand. Thanks to all for the great advice and help! I am pretty handy but am no electronics repair expert. The pics and step by step instructions were invaluable.
Don't breathe, don't touch the power button, just use the remote. Keep your thermostat set at the same temp, and don't make any witch doctors mad at you. Maintain good karma and whatever you don't, don't say the word "Sony" in the presence of your set...just kidding of course, hope it stays fixed.
Don't breathe, don't touch the power button, just use the remote. Keep your thermostat set at the same temp, and don't make any witch doctors mad at you. Maintain good karma and whatever you don't, don't say the word "Sony" in the presence of your set...just kidding of course, hope it stays fixed.
SONY SONY SONY, :jump: I used to work at the sony plant in new stanton pa putting together big screen tv's about 11 years ago. i always thought it was funny that they said asemblied in the usa with foreign and domestic parts. all the parts i saw going into them were made over seas. mostly china and hong kong. maybe the screws were made in the usa. :demon: lol.
BIG SIGH..It appears my fix was as temporary as most others has been. I really didn't want to touch it but it just didn't fit the decor in the middle of the floor. I will be ordering a new digital board. At least I am pretty sure that is the problem as well as having the confidence to change the board myself. I hope I can handle the setup required after installing the new board.
Go into the service menu and transfer the digital board data to the DMD so that you can retrieve it when you change the board. Not all of the settings transfer, so I would write down all of them so that you can get back to the same condition.
well add me to the list of dlp issues,i gave the shop guy a shot at repairing my hl-r5678w i have the green patch type problem=and a flickering type white out issue. the tech swore the color wheel delaminated and that a new wheel would fix it.....NOPE DOT COM..... ON his assumption they called and told me i need to replace the entire light engine .......sorry had to vent....
well add me to the list of dlp issues,i gave the shop guy a shot at repairing my hl-r5678w i have the green patch type problem=and a flickering type white out issue. the tech swore the color wheel delaminated and that a new wheel would fix it.....NOPE DOT COM..... ON his assumption they called and told me i need to replace the entire light engine .......sorry had to vent....
I am guessing the white out issues maybe the light engine but i am thinking the green patch type problem is the digital board. if both are bad it may not be worth having repaired. unless you are handy f and buy the parts and install them yourself. you can go out and buy a new lcd tv for less then the cost of the repairs. most of the parts of the light engine can be replaced. it could be the dmd board issue on the light engine. parts on the light engine can be replaced.
well add me to the list of dlp issues,i gave the shop guy a shot at repairing my hl-r5678w i have the green patch type problem=and a flickering type white out issue. the tech swore the color wheel delaminated and that a new wheel would fix it.....NOPE DOT COM..... ON his assumption they called and told me i need to replace the entire light engine .......sorry had to vent....
If it needs a color wheel it does not need a light engine, it needs a color wheel.
Many thanks to all of you volunteering their expertise!

Regarding the code needed to get your set into service mode, could someone please list that as well as how to enter it? I have a digital board for my 5667 on order and from the sounds of it, I may need to make some adjustments.

Thanks again!
Mute, 1, 8, 2, Power
If it needs a color wheel it does not need a light engine, it needs a color wheel.
the repairman (samsung recommended) thought it is a slow,color wheel....The green grid pattern he thinks is on the light engine side,and he didnt know that any individual parts are avial:scratch:, for the light eng, so the repair would cost @900.00,no thanks:crying:
the repairman (samsung recommended) thought it is a slow,color wheel....The green grid pattern he thinks is on the light engine side,and he didnt know that any individual parts are avial:scratch:, for the light eng, so the repair would cost @900.00,no thanks:crying:
You can get the light engine for around 200 dollars on ebay if you find a good deal. i have seen new ones listed dirt cheap. they are not that hard to install.
You can get the light engine for around 200 dollars on ebay if you find a good deal. i have seen new ones listed dirt cheap. they are not that hard to install.
thanks gutted the tv what does the chip next to my DNIe do,it says genesis display perfection(gm1601h-lf) should i try the mod on both chips?
The DNIE chip is the only BGA chip on the board and the only one that might benefit by any pressure mods.
lcaillo,
received new digital board last night, installed it and crossed my fingers for "the pop test". The picture came up beautifully and then I realized the writing on the screen was backwards. After thinking "now what" for about 20 seconds I remembered I hadn't transfered my settings back to new dig bd. Took care of that and I am back watching football the way it was meant to be watched.
Thanks a million for all of your help!
Glad to be of assistance.
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