Of course it's not "forcing" air if the port is large enough and sized right, I just meant it is moving air through a port, back and forth, If it's tuned properly it'll sound great, but with IB your speaker has equal pressure on both sides, no opposing force on either side, I was very skeptical before i built mine, my ported diy sub was awesome, but after finishing my theater, asthetically it stuck out like roach on a pancake. After the IB i'll never use a box agian, maybe in my living room but not in my HT. The sound is just "different" from any box or bass i've ever heard, it's hard to describe.. pure, effortless. People on the forum i'm not supposed to mention (on their quotable notables link) went on and on about hearing notes clearer and some notes other subs couldn't accurately produce or produce at all, basically redifining how bass should sound after years of boxes coloring their sound, they made it sound like it was the holy grail of bass. And after building my own, i must agree. I guess you have to experience it to understand.
IB or LLT
Hi, I was wondering what criteria you would use to determine which is better?
Are 4 18's in a baffle going to be better than 2 15 LLT. Is the baffle for people who dont have room in listening room for llt enclosures?
Are baffles more sonically correct? Please help me understand. :dunno:Thanx
Are 4 18's in a baffle going to be better than 2 15 LLT. Is the baffle for people who dont have room in listening room for llt enclosures?
Are baffles more sonically correct? Please help me understand. :dunno:Thanx
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, I was very skeptical before i built mine, my ported diy sub was awesome, but after finishing my theater, asthetically it stuck out like roach on a pancake. After the IB i'll never use a box agian, maybe in my living room but not in my HT. The sound is just "different" from any box or bass i've ever heard, it's hard to describe.. pure, effortless. People on the forum i'm not supposed to mention (on their quotable notables link) went on and on about hearing notes clearer and some notes other subs couldn't accurately produce or produce at all, basically redifining how bass should sound after years of boxes coloring their sound, they made it sound like it was the holy grail of bass. And after building my own, i must agree. I guess you have to experience it to understand.
How many of what size drivers are in your IB? How many drivers and what size were in your ported enclosure?
That part I understand. Since IB has never been an option for me, it took 4 large ported enclosures in a 15' x 26' room for me to get there.it's hard to describe.. pure, effortless.
All you have to do is read Rodny's IB Makeover thread to realize and understand that a properly ported design can indeed outperform an IB. I am not saying this will happen in every single case, I would have no idea, nor would anyone else, but in this particular case, LLT won, hands down! :huh:
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My Ib consists of 2 Fi 18's with as i'm sure you know has over 14 liters of displacement, more than most 4 15" setups. I also have a 12" DLP in the living room and i just sold my titanic 15" sonotube (previous HT sub) to an eager buddy of mine.
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I did read Rodny's IB Makeover thread , it sounds like LLT is on par with IB, and in some cases better and visa-versa. My experience is with commercial and DIY sealed and ported boxes, which in my experience can't compete with IB. LLT looks like it would be fun to try. But for now i'm completely satisfied- finally, and i need to quit spending money...that's the hard part!
I did read Rodny's IB Makeover thread , it sounds like LLT is on par with IB, and in some cases better and visa-versa. My experience is with commercial and DIY sealed and ported boxes, which in my experience can't compete with IB. LLT looks like it would be fun to try. But for now i'm completely satisfied- finally, and i need to quit spending money...that's the hard part!
Nice setup... :T
I like that foam insulation. I wish that had been offered back when we built our home. Pricing after the fact is a little out of our range. :yikes:
I like that foam insulation. I wish that had been offered back when we built our home. Pricing after the fact is a little out of our range. :yikes:
I cost a little more up front but when you figure in a smaller A/C unit, and the smaller utility bill, not to mention that your attaic is always a comfortable, easy to build rooms upstairs, it's worth it. Actually when i calculated how much it would add to my house note $50 a month, and i'd save ~$100 in utility bills.... it wouldn't have made sense to turn it down.
after the house is up...yeah... may be not worth it.
When looking at WisISD one of the benefits, it seems of the EBS or LLT alignment over the standard ported enclosure is the lower Group Delay. What does the Group Delay look like for an IB?
Matt
Matt
Is group delay even measurable with IB?
Guys... PLEASE... the title of this thread is IB or LLT and it is turning into a "horn" thread. Need I continue to suggest to start a new thread? :dontknow:
Unless the OP would like the thread title to be changed to IB or LLT or Horn... we can oblige. Otherwise, please do not continue to ignore my suggestion and our Forum Rules. Thank you!
Unless the OP would like the thread title to be changed to IB or LLT or Horn... we can oblige. Otherwise, please do not continue to ignore my suggestion and our Forum Rules. Thank you!
I have always been interested in horns. I realize they are the most efficient type of enclosure, or at least I think they are. Never the less I will probably never build one. I dont have the resources the space or the time to design and build any type of horn of that magnitude. For now I will settle for a LLT or an ebs setup. I think it will be the easiest and fastest and most output per watt and cone area. Thanx for all the input everyone.Guys... PLEASE... the title of this thread is IB or LLT and it is turning into a "horn" thread. Need I continue to suggest to start a new thread? :dontknow:
Unless the OP would like the thread title to be changed to IB or LLT or Horn... we can oblige. Otherwise, please do not continue to ignore my suggestion and our Forum Rules. Thank you!
Off topic posts moved to start a new thread... IB vs LLT vs Horn.
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