[Ares]

Hello All,

Woke up this morning after a good night's sleep and got ready for the day, jumped on HTS to post gaming news and while doing this I like to listen to my favorite tunes. Everything was going good till I hit play, there was a loud pop and my 6i was dead so I unplugged the sub and checked the fuse...it had blown so I just replaced it but when I plugged everything back up and flipped the power switch it blew the second fuse.

Now I thought it probably was just a defective fuse so I replaced it again and again it blew on power-up after that I have come to the assumption that the plate amp has an issue. The 6i has been discontinued and replacing the PSB plate amp cost just about as much as buying a new sub, so now I'm the market for a sub to replace this one and since most of my fellow staffers and forum members have more experience in this area than myself so I'm turning to you guys for advice.

The room for the new sub measures 14' 10" L x 10' 10" W x 9' H there are no left corners due to openings, the front left opening leads in an unused bedroom that measures 9' 11" L x 8' 3" W x 9' H. The rear left opening leads to a hallway that measures 10' L x 3' 3" W x 9' H as for budget I'm looking at $800 for a single sub at the moment, I have no brand preference or if it's sealed or ported I'm just looking for best performance for my buck.

Thank You

Ares

 

[Mike P.]

Were you satisfied with the performance of the SubSonic 6i?

 

[jackfish]

Why not a pair of Epik Legends?

Or a Rythmik F12?

 

[Ares]

Hello Mike,

The 6i was a decent performer but I always felt I could have done better, it seemed to perform well with music and lacked that oomph when it came to movies.


I have thought about Epik since they are basically in my backyard but haven't seen reviews on the legend, I"ll have to check into rythmik F12.

 

[Mike P.]

A SVS PC12-NSD would be within your budget. It would definitely do justice to movies compared to the SubSonic 6i which has little output below 30 hz.

http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-cyl-pc12_nsd.cfm

 

[Ares]

I have been drooling...I mean looking at PC12, I was wondering if this room of mine is a problem child, since it has no left corners and makes sub placement rather limited I not sure if there is one out there that can pressurize this room the way it should.

 

[tonyvdb]

There are subs like the SVSPB13U that could but its out of your price range. Anything is possible if the price is right :spend:
The PC12 is a great choice

 

[ironglen]

Hello Mike,
I have thought about Epik since they are basically in my backyard but haven't seen reviews on the legend, I"ll have to check into rythmik F12.

I must say that the svs I had pc12nsd was a good performer for the size and price, but I think you'll need more displacement/output to pressurize an open room. The empire is at the top of your budget, and since you don't have to ship then you'll only have an add'l $80 or so for tax. They might even give you a deal if you contact them and tell them: 'Yeah, I'm ARES from HTS'. They'll probably bow and submit to whatever price you offer to pay. :devil:

If you'll consider diy, that CSS xbl2 15" will be available right around the corner...:bigsmile:

 

[Ares]

If it was just that simple Glen, adding in all the figures from the hallway and the spare bedroom it's just under 2500 cu ft. So something in the range of the Empire would do a better job than the PC12 for this room.

 

[ironglen]

Hey Tony, if you own your home an IB could fit your budget with a little wait/saving...I'd install one in mine if I didn't have my current sub system. Two Fi IB3 18" and a proamp with wood comes awful close to your budget and would probably meet your spl/sound quality needs

Just throwing out suggestions...I don't have experience with the new SVS nor the Epik, I have a 'cavernous' acting room (ie low gain) and it demands a lot of displacement to come close to what others have described in smaller/closed off rooms. I just figure that the Epik will be no slouch in travel and when you add the dual cone surface area, both of which are quite larger than SVS's lone 12.5", well, you get the idea. I presume the SVS may dig deeper while the Epik may obtain higher spl while going low enough to satisfy, just my thinking.

 

[Ares]

Hey Tony, if you own your home an IB could fit your budget with a little wait/saving...I'd install one in mine if I didn't have my current sub system. Two Fi IB3 18" and a proamp with wood comes awful close to your budget and would probably meet your spl/sound quality needs

Just throwing out suggestions...I don't have experience with the new SVS nor the Epik, I have a 'cavernous' acting room (ie low gain) and it demands a lot of displacement to come close to what others have described in smaller/closed off rooms. I just figure that the Epik will be no slouch in travel and when you add the dual cone surface area, both of which are quite larger than SVS's lone 12.5", well, you get the idea. I presume the SVS may dig deeper while the Epik may obtain higher spl while going low enough to satisfy, just my thinking.

I do own the house but it's the wife that runs the place, don't know how that happened. I believe that the Epik legend has the same surface area as an 18 and the Empire is equivalent to a 21.

 

[Ares]

Not having a sub is no fun and I got to thinking would hooking up an external amp be the best bet at this moment to get her working again? I thought of using the Behringer ep2000 for the job would there be any potential problems that I might not see?

 

[ironglen]

The only issue I can figure is if yout sub cabinet is ported, then it might need a hpf to protect from overexcursion, otherwise, connect it, and just use the gain judiciously. I think that's a great idea, and can let you save for the replacement sub you really want.

 

[Ares]

The 6i has 2 2 5/8" ports in the front, I assume that HPF is a High Pass Filter, don't most of the amps have something like that built in?

 

[ironglen]

Yeah, if it's the stock amp it probably has one, but the ep amp will not. If the ep amp has one, it might be a 30hz hpf that can be activated via the rear panel dip switches. The manual might specify for your model. If your mains aren't substantial, your sub will probably help even with the 30hz hpf.

 

[Ares]

I took a look at the EP2000 and your right it has a low cut filter of 50Hz and 30Hz there is a model the Behringer EPX2000 which has a crossover switch that allows you to separate the highs and lows (100Hz or Full-Range). So would the EPX2000 be something to consider over EP2000 since it has this switch. Bear with me Glenn when comes to certain aspects of the audio world I'm as dense as a 300 yr old oak door.

 

[ironglen]

Hey, no problem, but I'll be hitting you up if/when I ever get a PS3 :heehee:

I take it that you have an ep2000, but are wondering if the epx2000 would better suit your needs? If you have the ep2000, I was thinking you could configure the dip switches to implement the 30hz hpf and run the sub off one of the ep channels, it should work just fine. Otherwise, I'm not following you.

 

[Ares]

I have yet to buy an external amp but have been considering it as an option, I have the mains crossed over at 60Hz so if the dip switch is set at 30Hz hpf will there be a gap is my question.

 

[ironglen]

The receiver is actually low passing 60hz and below, so you would be sending the amp 60hz and below, but with the amp's hpf the sub would receive 30-60hz. Depending on the order or steepness of the filter, it may reinforce a bit above and below that range, say 20-70hz while the mains handle the upper freqs.

 

[Ares]

Ok got it thanks Glen, I have been on a mission to find the right amp I have check out the following

• Behringer EP2000

• Behringer EPX2000

• Crown XLS 1000 DriveCore Series

• Crown XLS 1500 DriveCore Series

• QSC GX3

• QSC GX5

Any advice you can give Glen or anyone else would be most appreciated remember I'm an oak door here.