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Need help with port length / size based on my enclosure

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I will soon be embarking on my first sub build, and plan to put the enclosure inside a current wall void. The internal box dimensions that I came up with are as follows; 1.16' wide x 3.256' tall x 2.08' deep. This nets 7.9 cu ft for a Dayton rs5390hf. Don't worry about room between studs. I will handle that.

Since this will be "in wall" the driver and port will need to be on the front face. What size and length port do I need to hit 18 Hz?

Thanks!
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Both options will have a port width of 55.87cm
Here are the port dimensions I would choose: 55,87 x 4 x 58 cm (width x height x length). A slightly smaller alternative with 4 m/s more port air velocity would be the following: 55,87 x 3,5 x 50 cm (width x height x length).
I think you answeres this previously, but I am still not clear; Is there a calculation to determine what side of the enclosure the woofer should be mounted in relation to the port, and where specifically on that side that it should be mounted?

Or are differences so subtle that it wont much matter where I put it?

Again, enclosure dimension (internal) of 55.87 x 55.87 x 78.739. Port will be on bottom of one of the ends, along the length of the box.
I think you answeres this previously, but I am still not clear; Is there a calculation to determine what side of the enclosure the woofer should be mounted in relation to the port, and where specifically on that side that it should be mounted?

Or are differences so subtle that it wont much matter where I put it?
I'm not aware of exact calculations only of rough tendencies. See my earlier explanations (I highlighted some clauses for you):

On the contrary the port positioning [in relation to the chassis] does make a minor difference. It's not like one position would mess up the entire performance but what it does is in fact influencing the port efficiency above your tuning frequency. As you probably know the sound radiation is 180 degrees in phase on the other side and thus would normally cause an almost complete sound cancellation in front of the chassis. Therefore one enclosure's purpose is either turning phase optimally to 360 or 0 degrees in order to use the back sound or destroying it (sealed box concept). Having said this one can conclude that with rising distance between chassis and port also the sound addition rises above the tuning frequency as their radiated sound waves are more in phase whereas the output around the tuning frequency stays the same because here the port resonance (delayed) already achieve this phase turn. According to measurements this turns out true but in nearly all cases compared with the tuning frequency's wavelength the enclosure's dimensions are so small that the impact here is relatively neglectable. With large floorstanding speakers the max possible port distance will give you a few extra db but not much.

Long story short - Choose it to your (visual) liking... ;)
This was it about the relation between chassis and port position. Now the more important factors of the actual position of chassis and port in your listening room:

Personally I would place the port as near as possible to the backwall in order to have less interferences (and more room gain of course plus stronger room modes[...]) and additionally like explained before as far away as possible from the chassis. Not facing directly the port could also be an advantage if there should be some air velocity noises.
One not to deny benefit of inwall speaker mounting is in fact that you will get less troubles with interferences caused by the speaker to wall gap. Of course you also have more pronounced room modes but it's a lot easier to correct those sonic rises than obliterations (sorry I don't know the correct expressions here).
Placing the acoustic source closer to walls will achieve more alignment between direct sound and reflections (not aligned phases would cause the mentioned interferences and thus sound cancellations).

Mounting your chassis facing the floor will give you more room shaking but in most cases poorer sound quality (in addition having a floor other than quite a solid one would suck off some of the hearable bass).
I think it can be generally said that facing your chassis against walls could (but not necessarily) result in "washed out" upper bass. Therefore in order to reach more clean and direct upper bass the chassis should better face the open room optimally your listening position.

To sum things up the compromise I would make (as audio will always be a compromise) is to place the chassis on the enclosure's front facing your listening position and the port on the enclosure's lower back facing the near room's backwall.

I hope this answers your questions...
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Got all the panels rough cut. Now the precision work begins!

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If i add an additional internal brace, my internal volume will drop by about .2 cu ft. Is that a big enough chance to effect port tuning / overall performance?
Sorry, an extra brace would only take an extra .1 cu ft. Will that make a noticeable difference?
Nice to see those proceedings.:)

Sorry, an extra brace would only take an extra .1 cu ft. Will that make a noticeable difference?
This will result in a slightly higher tuning frequency, but assuredly nothing to worry about.
Great! Thanks!
Here is my progress so far. The center brace isnt in its final position; its just spacing the sides out during glue & screw install.



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Should I start a new build thread for this?
Looking good!:T
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That's gonna look sweet '78!
Hope it sounds as good as it looks!
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All done. Only played a test tone sweep from 125Hz down to 20, and it rattled the sheetrock.

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Spending some time with it now...

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