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From the professional painters I've talked to, (and you know me! If I have a question I call people :)) Pratt and Lambert is one of the best. They also mentioned Benjamin Moore and Pittsburg Paints, Martin Senior, then followed by Sherwin Williams. The commercial guys don't really use Behr, that's more for us home owners and people that like the faux finishes. Doesn't mean it's bad, just they don't typically use it.
 

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I've never used the Pratt & Lambert paint but one of my co-works swore by it. The problem is he described it as really really thick and it only takes one coat. That sounds great for a "professional" painter that wants to get in and out making the most amount of money for the least amount of effort but does that make it a good screen paint choice. To elaborate on that point a bit, the folks that advocate adding water and using Floetrol or polyurethane are correct that it is possible to lay down an extremely smooth finish with paints thinned in this way.

Like I said I have never used it myself so I'm just basing that musing on what I have heard from a fan of P&L Paints.

The other thing that I wonder about is if professionals don't like the Behr & Glidden products why do I see contractors and painters at Home Depot all the time. There is usually at least one guy there in the white painter's outfit lugging a 5 Gallon pail up to the contractor's checkout.

So while I do not mean to contradict any of what Bill is saying I am just cautioning that we should keep it in context. What makes for a good wall paint "may" be a poor choice for a screen paint.
 

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I've never used the Pratt & Lambert paint but one of my co-works swore by it. The problem is he described it as really really thick and it only takes one coat. That sounds great for a "professional" painter that wants to get in and out making the most amount of money for the least amount of effort but does that make it a good screen paint choice. To elaborate on that point a bit, the folks that advocate adding water and using Floetrol or polyurethane are correct that it is possible to lay down an extremely smooth finish with paints thinned in this way.

I've talked to several painters lately and they all swear by P&L and SW. They also said that they do thin the mix. They never mentioned the floetrol though, just water.

Like I said I have never used it myself so I'm just basing that musing on what I have heard from a fan of P&L Paints.

The other thing that I wonder about is if professionals don't like the Behr & Glidden products why do I see contractors and painters at Home Depot all the time. There is usually at least one guy there in the white painter's outfit lugging a 5 Gallon pail up to the contractor's checkout.

Gotta have something to put in the empty Ben Moore, P&L, or SW cans! I've actually heard of this being done. It's called making an extra buck or two!

So while I do not mean to contradict any of what Bill is saying I am just cautioning that we should keep it in context. What makes for a good wall paint "may" be a poor choice for a screen paint.
If you're painting a wall?

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Duration only comes in a gallon and is a little on the expensive side for some ($42 a gallon in my area). Luminance White is looking very nice and you can use that as a base for Gray Screen and Soothing White. We don't have numbers on the color balance with Luminance White as a base, so you'll have to wait just a bit for information on that.
 

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Found some Winter Mist and will test against my UPW + 2xPoly/Pearl. If I like the WM better would I need to prime the screen again or could it be applied over the UPW/Poly? If I must prime, would one coat suffice or multiple?

Thanks!
 

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12th Man, I looked back throught the thread but I can't seem to determine what you have now.

Is the UPW tinted?

What did you add to the Behr Matte Poly?

How much pearl did you add?

Why are you going to paint over it?

I'm just a little confused!:scratch:
 

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Not tinted. My current screen is 2 coats UPW #1050 + 2 coats Behr Matte Poly mixed with 4 oz. FolkArt Metallic White Pearl. I am not committed to painting over it yet. In fact, I am pretty happy with the white screen.

Just tinkering still and want to compare my white screen to a light gray (which has been a common recommendation for my situation) and curious if an N9 shade will give me enough of an improvement with daytime viewing while retaining enough of the pop and color I love in a darkened room.

It will be much harder to make changes once I nail the frame up.
 

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I think I have about a 1/2 gallon left.
If you are just interested in seeing first hand what various shades of gray will look like we could work with your leftovers. You could also make use of any leftover pearl clear coat to see what effect that has over the gray base.

Is that of any interest to you?
 

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Need a quick answer as this project will wrap today FINALLY. Can I top coat Winter Mist with just the matte poly #780 without any negative impact to performance of the screen? Not really concerned with whatever slight boost to gain it may provide, just trying to protect it from the dirty little hands of the house. Am I correct that the questions about viewing cone, color shift, etc. are only related to adding the pearl to the poly and that just the poly by itself will not alter the Winter Mist in any way? Thanks!
 

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Need a quick answer as this project will wrap today FINALLY. Can I top coat Winter Mist with just the matte poly #780 without any negative impact to performance of the screen? Not really concerned with whatever slight boost to gain it may provide, just trying to protect it from the dirty little hands of the house. Am I correct that the questions about viewing cone, color shift, etc. are only related to adding the pearl to the poly and that just the poly by itself will not alter the Winter Mist in any way? Thanks!
Once upon a time, I happened to ask the same exact question to the experts. Since you need a quick answer, I will tell you what I was told instead of you having to wait for their input.

"Yeah you should be able to put a poly coating on for protection but keep the coats thin."

There you have it...:D

You shouldn't introduce color shift, viewing cone issues, etc with the poly alone. (In fact, I have a 1x pearl topcoat and have no viewing cone issues that I can perceive).

Have fun!

BTW, how does the picture look now (without a topcoat)?
 

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Need a quick answer as this project will wrap today FINALLY. Can I top coat Winter Mist with just the matte poly #780 without any negative impact to performance of the screen? Not really concerned with whatever slight boost to gain it may provide, just trying to protect it from the dirty little hands of the house. Am I correct that the questions about viewing cone, color shift, etc. are only related to adding the pearl to the poly and that just the poly by itself will not alter the Winter Mist in any way? Thanks!
I'd just do it. It may color shift. But probably nothing perceptible to you or your family/guests. There never was an issue with viewing cone with either the poly or the poly pearl. The issue that there was regarding the angle at which the topcoat ceases being beneficial to the basecoat - which is around 15-20 degrees.

Aren't most paints washable? I have to admit I'm not exactly up on this... can't they be wiped clean with a wet cloth?


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I'd just do it. It may color shift. But probably nothing perceptible to you or your family/guests. There never was an issue with viewing cone with either the poly or the poly pearl. The issue that there was regarding the angle at which the topcoat ceases being beneficial to the basecoat - which is around 15-20 degrees.

Aren't most paints washable? I have to admit I'm not exactly up on this... can't they be wiped clean with a wet cloth?


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Mech, many truely flat paints aren't very washable at all...if they become dirty and you wash them, it can literally cause the look of the paint to change where you washed it (much of my house is flat paint, and I have 2 kids and a dog, so unfortunately I have lots of experience with trying to wipe down flat paint). This is because you have to almost scrub flat paints to get the dirt/stain off the wall. Matte paints are better. Something like eggshell (and higher glosses) are very washable...unfortunately we can't use them for screen paints.
 

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Sounds like we should be looking into matte paint then! Although I'm sure Todd has already done this... now I have to go and find out what his conclusions were and why we're still using flat. :nerd:

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Some call flat a 'matte' finish. I think pastel would be more accurate since it looks like a soft pastel when dry. Flat paints look awesome, but don't keep that look over time. That definitely would be one benefit of a poly coating that's for sure.

Not all paint manufacturers make an actual 'matte' finish, which is a slight surface sheen between a flat finish and an eggshell finish. They also 'toughen up' the paint to make it more durable and cleanable. That way you get that soft pastel look, but it doesn't show every dirt mark and can even be washed to an extent.

My personal opinion is a straight flat paint screen is a temporary setup. Sooner or later it's going to show some dirt, or if you smoke, yellowing- and there's no way to really clean it. On the plus side, it's so inexpensive that putting another coat on really isn't a big deal unless the border can't be separated from the screen, then it would be a logistical nightmare.

A simple poly coating solves any potential cleaning issues that come with a flat paint and makes it a durable screen surface.
 

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I only recommend the Behr UPW Flat #1050 for rough surfaces where a flat paints is necessary. Otherwise I only suggest using it for a base coat to be top coated with polyurethane or a pearl clear coat.

If you need a durable but nearly flat finish I suggest the Behr Exterior ULTRA UPW #4850. It is a tough, flexible, self priming paint that has very small particles to make the surface much less porous. It too is a good choice for painting BOC or retractable screen surfaces.

If you are looking for a Behr one-can solution then the Behr UPW Flat Enamel has some sheen but still did not hot spot. It is meant to be scrub-able and more durable. I would call it an eggshell finish. At least it is very similar to Glidden's eggshell finish which I have used extensively in my home. I called the Behr help line and they confirmed that their finishes have slightly higher sheens than the competition.

Any of these can be later top coated with a polyurethane with or without a pearlizing additive.

Of the three paints I was most impressed with the ULTRA #4850. As Benven also reported it leveled out very well producing a very smooth flat finish. Given that it is an exterior paint touted to last twice as long and maintain it's color twice as long I would think this is an excellent choice for a screen paint. It is however a bit more expensive than the basic UPW.
 
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