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Panasonic VX300 Series Q&A

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About this thread
The purpose of this thread is to provide information about the Panasonic TH-65VX300U.

Product Information
Reports & Reviews
Background Information
Marketplace
Manufacturer Suggested Retail Prices?
$6,250 suggested retail. Source.

When are they available?
Available now.

Where can I buy one?
These are sold through the pro division to distributors; no direct dealer sales. Distributors sell them to broadcasters and pre/post production houses. Value Electronics started shipping October 28, 2011. Source.

What is the difference between VX Series Home Cinema Displays and the BT Series?
The TH-42BT300ER and TH-50BT300ER are specifically for the broadcast/master house sector where the VX series is specific to the custom install sector. The BT300 series will also have a slew of production features such as independent RGB on/off, H/V delay to look at blanking intervals, waveform monitor, aspect ratio markers, L/R images in split screen to color correct 3D content in 2D, etc. The VX300 will be much like the VX200's but will also include the advanced drive technology for double the gradations like BT300. However, it will not have the production features that BT300 has. Source. Source.

Are these monitors like the VX200 series?
No speakers or tuners and has many options for different video input card configurations, like dual DVI for stereoscopic inputs and various ways to control the stereo images, l/r side by side, l/l or r/r side by side or one at at a time, etc. Source.

General Physical

What sizes will be available?
Available only in 65". Source.

What bezel design is employed?
Matte black bezel that is thicker than the consumer TVs. Source.

Will the VX300 have an extra pane of glass?
No. Source.


VX300 Picture Technology

What are the differences between the VX200 and VX300 Series?
Bi-level drive technology* smoothly displays dark areas
Improving the luminous efficiency of the panel has achieved steady illumination even with a small electrical discharge. By reducing the minimum unit of brightness per flash by 1/2 compared to previous panels, this makes it possible to display finer gradation steps. Smoother tonal expression is gained in dark areas thanks to a total of 12,288 steps, twice the number of our conventional models (compared with the VX100 Series).

* Valid for Cinema mode and Monitor mode.
Source.

New video processing chip set is greatly upgraded. Source.

Will the VX300 have the faster-decaying phosphors we see in the VT30?
Unanswered [Loves2Watch says "My new VX200 has the fastest decay rate I have ever seen in any display, no visible trails of any kind..."]. Source.

What sort of improvements does this panel offer that could be in the 2012 line?
None. Source.

Is it true that unlike the VT30 series the VX300 has no 10pt white balance and gamma?
Gotchaa says no 10pt white balance and gamma but there is hope it will be included in the final FW. Source. Source.

How do black levels compare?
  1. Sharp Elite PRO-60X5FD - 0.0004 ftL (0% stimuli pattern post calibration). Source.
  2. Pioneer 101FD/500M - 0.0005ftL Source.
  3. Panasonic TH-85VX200 - 0.003 ftL (zero IRE signal?) Source.
  4. Panasonic TC-P65VT30 - 0.0034 ftL (zero IRE signal?) Source.
  5. Panasonic TH-65VX300U - 0.0052 ftL (non-zero IRE signal measured by D-Nice) Source / 0.004 (non-zero IRE signal measured by Ed Johnson) Source.
This Post's Change History

Recent Changes:
2011-11-06: Updated with D-Nice comments from HDJ.
2011-11-04: Various updates on availability and initial calibration results.
2011-10-08: Added official Panasonic product page.
2011-10-05: Shoot-out absence and 10pt.
2011-09-25: Added HD Guru CEDIA report.
2011-09-15: Unlike the VT30, no 3rd layer of glass. No improvements in this panel in the 2012 line.
2011-09-13: Created thread.
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Thanks for doing this Gimp. We do appreciate it! :T
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am I off in assuming the is the next gen commercial panel replacement. Specs read a lot like a commercial panny albeit with the very nice prosumer features
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aleicgrant said:
am I off in assuming the is the next gen commercial panel replacement. Specs read a lot like a commercial panny albeit with the very nice prosumer features
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Hi Suzook,

That's exactly what it is.

Yours,

David
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What sort of improvements does this panel offer that could be in the 2012 line? Maybe the double gray scale? Did notice there is double the shades of gradation at 12,288 v. the 6,144 of the commerical line. Is that a result of the doubling of gray scale? Could be.

I think the 42" and 50" sizes are now supposed to be the BT300 only, although I'd love that to be inaccurate :)
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Robert Zohn
Gimp, great job setting up this thread and your early information and references to souses is excellent! I can confirm that we will be integrating the VX300 into the high-end home theater market.

The engineering samples I saw did not have the 3rd layer of glass.

gmarceau, I don't think we'll see anything from the VX300 pass to the consumer models for 2012. But Panasonic consumer has some nice new panel designs for the 2012 line-up. Of course, we won't see the high-end larger series ship till June 2012.

-Robert
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Do you mean there will be >65" versions of the VX300 Series? Will there just 85" & 103" VX300 versions or will there also be a 70" version added?

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...we won't see the high-end larger series ship till June 2012.
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No 70" VX300 is planned.

I was referring to the consumer line. The successor to the VT30 will be first shown at the 2012 CES Las Vegas show and will begin shipping in June 2012.

We are likely to see larger consumer pdps for 2012.

-Robert
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Robert Zohn said:
No 70" VX300 is planned.

I was referring to the consumer line. The successor to the VT30 will be first shown at the 2012 CES Las Vegas show and will begin shipping in June 2012.

We are likely to see larger consumer pdps for 2012.

-Robert
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So will the VT30 successor be available in >65"? Also, will the exisiting VX200 models be updated to VX300?
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Robert Zohn
Yes we're likely to see larger than 65" 2012 Panasonic consumer pdp series.

Not sure about the professional line, but my understanding is that the VX300 comes in 42", 50" and 65".

-Robert
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Robert,

Have you guys recieved one of these yet for the shootout. I am really interested in this set and I can only hope yo can get a demand for them and be able to supply them to those of us who wan one. Did any of your guys ever calibrate a vx-200 and give any reviews
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Not yet, but I am hopeful we'll have a 65" VX300 at the shoot-out. If it misses the event, we will have on on the shoot-out wall shortly and do a follow-up evaluation.

At the moment here's a list of displays that will be in the event:

1. Samsung PN59D8000

2. Panasonic TC-P65VT30 or TC-P55VT30

3. LG 60PZ950

4. Samsung UN60D8000

5. LG 55LW9800 Nano

6. Sony XBR-55HX929

7. Toshiba 65UL610U or 55UL610U

8. Elite PRO-60X5FD

9. Panasonic Professional monitor 65VX300 (Hopefully, but may not make the shoot-out event date)

10. Pioneer Elite Signature Series PRO-141FD (Just for reference)

This is more displays than any other shoot-out in our 7 years of producing the flat panel HDTV shoot-out events.

-Robert
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I am also looking forward to seeing what the Toshiba has in this shootout. I was a long time Toshiba fanboy many years ago and I still think they got screwed with HD-DVD which to me was clearly the more mature HD media platform. I am however a plasma nut and I think that plasma gives such a clear picture and I watch alot of Football and hockey so motion is a biggie for me as well. I am praying that the vx-300 uses the old KURO "sauce"and gives us the best plasma picture for 2011. I am however skeptical because a lot of people here and other forums have said the vx-300 will not be as great as we all hope, and it also hasn't sounded like D-Nice thought it would be either.
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bzL1122, I also have a warm spot in my heart for Toshiba.

We'll thoroughly be testing and evaluating how they compare in regards, to black level just before crushing, peak brightness without clipping, color accuracy, color saturation and motion resolution. We'll also evaluate the off axes viewing degradation and the 3D pq.

I'm surprised to hear you say D-Nice and others have not loved the VX300 as much as I do. I have seen this display at NAB and at Panasonic's NJ USA headquarters and thought it delivered an outstanding image quality. And in my conversations with D-Nice I thought he had high expectations for this monitor.

-Robert
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Good to here Robert. I look forward to the shootout results as I am itching to purchase my next panel soon. I was almost buying a vt-30 but I figured I would wait and see if Panny can correct some of the issues they were having with it.

In regards to D Nice , maybe he was just trying to ground some of these people who were and are labeling it a kuro killer without the facts to back it up just yet. I will not lie though as I too am hoping that people in the know like yourself and Dnice come out after spending some time with the set and say. " The Kuro has been matched or killed".
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Robert Zohn said:
bzL1122, I also have a warm spot in my heart for Toshiba.
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Me too, I owned Toshiba's 57HLX82 LCOS RPTV.

Robert Zohn said:
I'm surprised to hear you say D-Nice and others have not loved the VX300 as much as I do.
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If I recall he was trying to manage expectations specifically with regard to black levels. History has demonstrated, Kuro beating black-levels are not a priority for Panasonic. For example, CNET measured initial black levels on the VT25 at 0.004 and the VT30 at 0.0061.
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gimp said:
If I recall he was trying to manage expectations specifically with regard to black levels. History has demonstrated, Kuro beating black-levels are not a priority for Panasonic. For example, CNET measured initial black levels on the VT25 at 0.004 and the VT30 at 0.0061.
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Hi guys,

Do we know what they were on the VX200? In light of the gap between consumer and professional displays, I'd take those to be a better indication of what to expect from the 300.

Yours,

David
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davidjschenk said:
Hi guys,

Do we know what they were on the VX200? In light of the gap between consumer and professional displays, I'd take those to be a better indication of what to expect from the 300.

Yours,

David
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Unfortunately I've found few professional reviews and all black-level assessments are qualitative, not quantitative.
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