[Lordoftherings]

No born and raised in Chicago can't change rooms this house is 105yrs old so some of the rooms are narrow with some high ceilings the lowest one is this room. this room is an odd shape no 2 measurements are the same.

Chicago! Home of the Blues, right on! "We're on a mission from God".

* That should at least turn to a positive plus, by having a more balance modal peaks and 'creeks', I mean nulls.

 

[Ares]

Yeah I guess there are some good things about this room, 1 ? if a receiver can't drive 4ohm speakers is that a negative if you are using 8ohm speakers.

 

[Lordoftherings]

Yeah I guess there are some good things about this room, 1 ? if a receiver can't drive 4ohm speakers is that a negative if you are using 8ohm speakers.

No, on the contrary, its a positive. :bigsmile:

Anyway, these three receivers are perfectly fine with your actual speakers.

 

[Ares]

Bare with me how is that a positive?

 

[Lordoftherings]

Bare with me how is that a positive?

Because my dear Ares, if a receiver cannot drive 4-ohm loads, it certainly can drive 8-ohm loads, which is a much more easy load for any receiver on the market.

4 ohms is harder to drive for a receiver, but the receiver will still drive them, if you don't turn the volume level too loud, and if only your two front mains are from this ditto load. And besides, that 4 ohms would only drop at certain frequencies, not over the full audio range.

Most mass-market speakers are rated at a nominal 8 ohms, with a minimum of 6, or sometimes 4 ohms.
Very few speakers (electrostatic ones for example) would have a rated nominal 4 ohms, with a minimum 2 ohms. These are generally for the high end market, where powerful separate amplifiers are required.

If you want to find more about these impedance loads in relation to speakers vs power amplifiers, integrated amplifiers and A/V receivers, check some good articles from various audio forum sites. They are all over, just Google 'Speaker's Impedances'. Or, 'High Current Amplifiers'.

 

[lsiberian]

Buy your receiver online. That one piece of advice I can't let slide past. I've never seen a reasonable price on any in store receiver. I've also never had any issues with receivers being shipped. A4less is a very reliable sales place I've never had any issues with them.

I'd suggest you get the Denon. They are reliable and have very short owners threads. Onkyo threads tend to be novels and Pioneer has skimped their amp sections in recent years. Just make sure you toss the manual in the trash and look up a man named Adam at audioholics. He's got manuals memorized and is a very helpful person.

 

[Ares]

Thank you for the explanation. So now my search is over I will go with the Pioneer and later do some treatments to the room. I would like thank Bob,Tony,and last but not least Jack for your patience and knowledge in making this journey a lot easier. This is for anyone who comes across this post if you have the opportunity to talk to these guys listen to what they have to say, it will make your HT journey easier. Gentleman may you enjoy prosperity,happiness and good health all the days of your life.

 

[lsiberian]

Thank you for the explanation. So now my search is over I will go with the Pioneer and later do some treatments to the room. I would like thank Bob,Tony,and last but not least Jack for your patience and knowledge in making this journey a lot easier. This is for anyone who comes across this post if you have the opportunity to talk to these guys listen to what they have to say, it will make your HT journey easier. Gentleman may you enjoy prosperity,happiness and good health all the days of your life.

Not so fast buddy. We demand pictures and your thoughts. If you want to do easy treatments head over to ata acoustics.

 

[Ares]

Hold on, I will be like a proud father and take lots of pictures and give my thoughts on all this. Thanks for the info Isiberian.

 

[Lordoftherings]

Buy your receiver online. That one piece of advice I can't let slide past. I've never seen a reasonable price on any in store receiver. I've also never had any issues with receivers being shipped. A4less is a very reliable sales place I've never had any issues with them.

I'd suggest you get the Denon. They are reliable and have very short owners threads. Onkyo threads tend to be novels and Pioneer has skimped their amp sections in recent years. Just make sure you toss the manual in the trash and look up a man named Adam at audioholics. He's got manuals memorized and is a very helpful person.

Ares already mentioned that he's not into buying online, did you just read this very short thread?

Also, it is funny that you recommend Denon, and then mentioned Adam at Audioholics!
Because Adam is using the Pioneer Elite VSX-23TXH in his setup, and is very happy with it.

Also, you cannot judge a brand according to their novelty on some threads, can you really?

Finally, you mentioned Pioneer that have skip in their amp sections in recent years, but we are talking here about the Elite model, which is not in this situation.

And just one more, 'reliability'. I had Pioneer, Denon, Onkyo... since the 70's, and I can tell you that they are more or less reliable, depending on your use and maintenance. But they are all certainly reliable.
I had Denon units that brake down on me in the past. I have a Pioneer receiver since 1987, and still performing like if it was brand new. And I can say without a doubt, that when a component fails, it is not necessary a reliability problem. Many factors are in motion here.
The real truth is that nobody's perfect, they all have their pluses and minuses. The trick is to balance value, build, features, performance, and last but not least ergonomics.
I love my Denon AVR-3805, but I hate Denon manuals, remote controls, and inintuitive and complex menu setups. And that is a fact.
The funny thing is that you said similar things about the too much complexities in Denon receivers in the past, in particular referring to their Auto Room Correction setup: Audyssey MultEQ XT, no?
You like more the simplicity of EZ-Set from Harman Kardon receivers, no?
And here you go now recommending Denon!!! Are you for real?
Sorry man, but I just have to get the truth out here, for the benefit of Ares's (our OP) knowledge.

I'm not saying that the Denon AVR-2310CI is bad, because it is not, but you got to make a real honest distinction here, and according to the OP's preference.

And a lot of people are extremely happy with the Onkyo TX-SR707 as well. Hey, I own two Onkyo receivers myself.

Now, the Pioneer Elite VSX-21TXH, that one is a gorgeous looking receiver with strong build quality, and lots of very cool features, plus a great Auto Room correction, the Advanced MCACC that you can even fine tune manually, and with a Phase Control too. I just wish I can do that with my Onkyo receivers.
As much I love Audyssey MultEQ XT, I'm beginning to appreciate more and more the better sounding MCACC system with its much better versatility. The more I read about it, the more I love it.

So, Congratulations Ares with your excellent choice; you and your wife will absolutely love it. :T

Cheers,
Bob

 

[Ares]

Thank you Bob after all this my mind is made up and I won't change it like you said there are pro & cons to every receiver and this one suites me just fine. Looked at Denon and I don't like the fact that I need to go look at some forum just to understand the manual. I have nothing negative Onkyo but it shares the same Audyssey and if it's headache on one why wouldn't it be on the other. Now I am not saying these are bad receivers just bad for me right now maybe later on with more experience under my belt the I deal with them.

 

[Lordoftherings]

Like I already said Ares, you did make the right choice, and I know so.

* And as a great bonus, it just happened to be the best value out of the three; you save $100 over the Onkyo, and an even better difference over the always overpriced Denon receivers, $150.

But Ares, if you can, and you should, show your local dealer the online price of that Pioneer Elite VSX-21TXH receiver, and ask him to match it.
He should be able to offer you a similar deal, or an extended warranty.
No loss asking, and you are the one to benefit from it.

Good Luck bud.

 

[Ares]

I'll give it a try and see what happens thanks again Bob.

 

[Lordoftherings]

Hey, that was just a last minute great thought before you purchase it, it's worth a try.

* And Ares, keep us posted, we love to know people's reaction when they get their new toys. :bigsmile:

 

[Ares]

Not a problem it may be a while I plan on picking this up after I get my tax refund,the wife robs me blind all year so I get my toys with my tax refund check.

 

[Lordoftherings]

Or perhaps a Christmas present from your wife, to compensate. :bigsmile:

 

[Ares]

She's nice not that nice though.

 

[Lordoftherings]

Lol, that was just a simple and fair suggestion. :bigsmile:

 

[Ares]

True but what is that old saying If mama aint happy nobody's happy.

 

[Lordoftherings]

Does not do any good in my house though. :bigsmile: