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Releasing/Participating Studio(s): Sony Pictures
Disc/Transfer Information: Region A; 1080p High Definition 2.39:1 (Original Aspect Ratio: 2.39:1); 50GB Blu-ray Disc
Video Codec: MPEG-4 AVC
Rating: PG-13
Running Time: 132 Minutes
Tested Audio Track: English DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 (48kHz, 24-bit)
Director: Roland Emmerich
Starring Cast: Channing Tatum, Maggie Gyllenhaal, Richard Jenkins, Jamie Foxx, James Woods

PLOT ANALYSIS:


Just walked in the door from purchasing this Blu-ray, and in the interest of saving time, below is the theatrical review I did of the film when returning from seeing it and which pretty much sums up my feelings about this not-quite-Olympus Has Fallen Roland Emmerich summer popcorn flick. After I view the Blu-ray tonight, I will revisit the thread and update the audio and video analysis sections...in the meantime, we can still discuss the plot of WHD if you'd like!


Here’s the first question I have for you: Jamie Foxx as the President of the United States? Only in a Roland Emmerich summer disaster blockbuster. I mean, why not, right? We had Danny Glover in the role as master of the free world in Emmerich’s 2012 – an absolutely ludicrous choice – and now he takes a guy better known for his standup routines and work in projects such as Booty Call and Any Given Sunday and throws him into the character and it just doesn’t work…you’ll see what I mean when you see White House Down, where we witness the President reaching for a pair of Jordans so he can accompany the rogue wanna-be Secret Service agent (Channing Tatum) on a mission to run about the catacombs of the White House property (a la National Treasure: Book of Secrets) while delivering commentary and rhetoric that no American President would ever mutter…I mean the whole thing with Foxx was beyond ridiculous, and unfortunately White House Down suffers for it. This is a tactic normally only pulled off by the likes of Michael Bay – that is, ridiculous casting choices and characters being put into situations that can’t possibly be plausible no matter which way you look at it, but Roland Emmerich in all his summer blow-it-all-up glory has managed to catch up hot on the heels of Bay in making these kinds of check-your-brain-at-the-door films in which there’s no way you can remotely enjoy them unless you do so, i.e. Independence Day, 2012, The Day After Tomorrow and, as some critics even accuse, The Patriot though I think that’s one of Emmerich’s best efforts to date outside of its ridiculously inaccurate historical approach.

Actually, I have been waiting to see when a Roland Emmerich summer disaster blockbuster would eventually make its way to our theaters once more, and we got it in the form of White House Down…before I delve into the meat and potatoes here, let’s explore this newfound obsession of sorts with depicting the grounds of the U.S. capital being taken over by outside forces – seemingly quite easily – in addition to completely immobilizing the country’s military response abilities that Hollywood appears to be embroiled in. White House Down, coming out just a few months after Olympus Has Fallen, seems to me a title that suffers from the “Armageddon/Deep Impact conundrum" – that is, they are similar types of stories about almost identical subject matter released not too far apart from one another theatrically. Those aforementioned asteroid disaster films aren’t the only such examples of this tactic, but I was merely suggesting the obvious ones; be that as it may, White House Down wasn’t really half the action film Olympus Has Fallen was…it lacked the sheer kinetic energy Fallen had, and as I stated was made all the more goofy and offputting with Foxx in the lead as the President. Oddly enough, at times it feels like an Emmerich film while at other moments it doesn’t; there was something ultimately missing from this picture…a sense of threatening dread and terror that Olympus had running rampant through it. Where Olympus presented really dangerous, murderous thugs from an Asian country that want to take over the U.S. White House for reasons mainly revolving around America’s involvement in their affairs there, Down makes more a mockery of sorts out of the “terrorists” that siege the U.S. capital (that is, Washington DC). Not that the thugs that raid the White House in Emmerich’s film aren’t threatening or violent – there was just something about the Orient-esque mercenaries (mainly the guy who played Johnny Tran in the first Fast and the Furious who was absolutely on fire as the lead terrorist) in Olympus that was much more frightening.

As usual, Emmerich has assembled a massive cast to star in his 2013 – well, now that his 2012 was supposed to take inaccurate ramblings of the Mayan calendar to suggest our world as we know it wouldn’t be here any longer and has been surpassed – summer blockbuster about hostage-takers that raid the White House for reasons that end up bordering on similar to the reasons Ed Harris’ character in The Rock took his hostages…in other words, the reason is foggy and ridiculous. Channing Tatum turns in a decent performance as a young local DC cop that is struggling through a divorce and sharing custody rights for his little girl. His dream is to become a Secret Service agent and to get on Presidential detail, but when a favor is called in that gets him an interview with agent in charge Finnerty (Maggie Gyllenhaal), he’s rejected for a sheer lack of stability in his past employment and due to a lack of necessary education. Meanwhile, President Sawyer (Foxx) has made an announcement that America will be pulling all their troops out of the Middle East, something that doesn’t sit well with many of his cabinet under him, not to mention some rogue people such as James Woods’ Walker character, who is a week away from retirement and who leads the entire Secret Service handling Sawyer’s detail. Walker has a pretty big axe to grind with Sawyer’s policies and it involves something pretty close to home for Walker – his son, who was killed in a mission that went bad in the Middle East. Here’s the thing: On this particular day, when the White House is about to be raided by a gang of machine gun-toting mercenaries, Tatum’s “Cale” character has been given passes for a White House tour of which his daughter has been ecstatic to go, given her obsession with government and this particular President in power. While on the tour, we witness some of the hired thugs, now wearing maintenance garb and wheeling around carts of what appears to be cleaning chemicals, enter the center of the capitol building and let loose an explosion that rocks the walls and crumbles most of the structure…the game is on!

Of course, absolute chaos ensues, in which the President is immediately guarded by Walker and some of his men inside the Oval Office, while Cale and his daughter Emily (Joey King) get separated, Cale immediately rushing to find out what’s going on what with his cop instincts. Much like Gerard Butler’s character in Olympus Has Fallen, Tatum’s Cale becomes a one-man rogue defense against the scenario unfolding at the White House, taking out many of these bad guys single-handedly and obtaining some of their weapons in the process. We eventually learn of the steep involvement of agent Walker, who has been in total charge of Sawyer’s Presidential protection detail for some time now, after he keeps Sawyer as a hostage himself, much to the President’s shock. But Cale has somehow made his way to where the two men are, walking through the catacombs of the residency, and ends up saving Sawyer from the clutches of Walker just in time. This whole notion that this “rogue” cop, Cale, just comes out of nowhere and is now protecting the President single-handedly, the two of them playing cat-and-mouse through the White House property – even climbing atop elevator shafts – was beyond far-fetched, made even more asinine when the President stops in his bedroom to throw on a pair of Air Jordans so he can keep up with Cale. Really? I love Jordans as much as the next guy…but to depict the most powerful man in the world as finding this to be a priority in the midst of what’s happening around him? Come on…

We learn the secret behind what is going on here in this plot as the story develops and as Finnerty, General Caulfield (Lance Reddick) and others are taken to a secure military bunker as they try and sort out what has happened and why the White House has been attacked. It seems agent Walker (Woods) is beyond bitter for what happened to his son in the Middle East, and as a show of misplaced revenge, he demands a hefty ransom from the Federal Reserve…but, of course, all is not what it seems as we learn this isn’t really about money but rather Walker’s downward-spiraling health condition which includes a cancerous tumor that is not giving him that long to live. This is uncovered when the government drags in Walker’s wife to try and talk sense into him and agent in charge Finnerty (Gyllenhaal) discovers the secret about Walker’s condition. But what didn’t make sense to me is that Emmerich suggests to us that Walker is doing this as a sort of suicide mission – no other reason; so, we go from him wanting money to being angry that the government and Sawyer’s cabinet is responsible for his son’s death to some kind of plot about this guy going batty over a medical condition…and wanting to commit suicide because of it? I didn’t buy it. In retrospect, even Ed Harris’ General Hummel character in The Rock had a more clear-cut reasoning for his taking of hostages in that film…and that was beyond ridiculous.

There is also an element of Walker’s planning revolving around the men he hired to pull this attack on the White House off – apparently, the military discovers after Finnerty demands they take a deeper look into their backgrounds, most of these tattooed, muscle-bound grotesques are of white supremacist groups “upset” over the fact that Sawyer is in power at all; this, to me, comes at a very bad time what with the issues we’re seeing on TV regarding the Paula Deen situation as well as the George Zimmerman trial…the element and vibe here was a bit offputting given what’s happening in the news as of late. Oh, a pretty important sub-plot develops when Cale’s daughter, first on her own escaping the hostage group from the tour so she could snap pictures of the terrorists with her camera phone, is finally caught by the savage mercenaries, but her phone makes it into media hands, where the pictures of these guys go instantly viral, giving the government forces something to work with in identifying them. There’s also the lunatic, off-the-wall computer hacker that has been employed by Walker to override the White House systems (played by Jimmi Simpson), an odd sort of lad that spends his time commending himself on his great work, talking to his computers and making odd gestures and statements in a character that reminded me very much of “Pollux Troy” (Alessandro Nivola) from Face/Off.

With Sawyer in tow with him, still, Cale manages to fend off most of these mercenaries – which includes great, kinetic hand-to-hand combat sequences between Tatum’s Cale and Walker’s lead henchman played by Jason Clarke of Zero Dark Thirty in which these two guys beat the absolute red blood out of one another – to the point that he and Sawyer are able to escape to one of the Presidential limos, where a chase around the front lawn of the White House ensues. Walker’s mercenaries are hot on the tail of the President and Cale, firing machine guns and weapons at them from every angle; meanwhile, the U.S. military has ordered a tank strike on the thugs lying on the roof of the House – about time – crashing the front gate and getting their missile off, but otherwise encountering heavy counter-resistance. You know, all throughout this, I kept asking my wife…where is the military? Why is it taking so long to get any kind of response from the defense department to take back control of the White House? Alas, finally, after Air Force One is shot down with the newly sworn-in Vice President on board (Michael Murphy) by a missile fired from an overridden NORAD complex somewhere in Ohio (handy work of the computer hacker Tyler), the military sends in a special attack force on Black Hawks, but this doesn’t go so well as the terrorists at the White House have come prepared with surface-to-air missiles ready to fire at any incoming aircraft. At this point, White House Down picks up speed and steam, allowing us to look beyond the ridiculousness of its plot holes and dialogue and just settle in for some typical Roland Emmerich blow-em-up fun. Does Secret Service agent in charge-turned-traitor Walker accomplish his mission? Does he ever get President Sawyer in his own clutches so he can get the launch codes from him to fire off nukes at targets around the world? Does it inevitably start World War III? Does Cale’s daughter Emily ever get out of harm’s way from these lunatics that use her as a bargaining chip to get Cale to show himself and stop hunting them one by one? Does Cale ultimately save the President’s life…and, better yet, does he finally get a spot on Sawyer’s Secret Service for his impressive work on this day? You’ll have to watch White House Down to find out.

At the end, this was typical Emmerich nonsense – fun, over-the-top but utterly implausible. It wasn’t as good as Olympus Has Fallen – which I think has been the best film of the summer thus far – but I think it warrants a buy on Blu-ray release day if you already have some of his other work in your DVD and Blu-ray library, such as Independence Day, The Day After Tomorrow and The Patriot.

If you have seen this, tell me what you thought!



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VIDEO QUALITY ANALYSIS: HOW DID THE DISC LOOK?

Okay. Ran White House Down on Blu-ray last night (Region A) through its paces and unfortunately it’s nearly as disappointing as Sony’s release of Olympus Has Fallen was on Blu. Let’s start with the video analysis first, which fared better than the audio – utilizing Emmerich’s mastery of the 2.39:1 vista, often wrought with ridiculously rapid-fire editing techniques and flash-cut blink-and-you’ll-miss-it action sequences, Sony Pictures delivers a solid, twitch and noise-free 1080p encode transfer for this summer blockbuster release on high-definition home video. Much sharper and detailed than, say, Olympus Has Fallen or Paramount’s World War Z, the Blu-ray of White House Down exudes all the positives the format has to offer including an uber-stable image, field of depth, bordering-on-cartoonish exterior/daylight-drenched scenes and that quasi-surreal sense of movement that the very best Blu-ray transfers exhibit.
Flesh tones appeared accurate on character close ups, while clarity of facial imperfections were rendered with remarkable precision – for example, when James Woods’ aging character or Jamie Foxx’s President character is on screen and up close, the layering upon layering of facial characterization detail was astonishing; likewise for the colors and all the other elements that comprise the outdoor, daylight-oriented sequences. Much like the aforementioned Olympus Has Fallen in this way, the sweeping vista shots of the White House lawn and its bright green grass, foliage on trees, the detail in the pebbling of the circular driveway and other characteristics were downright stunning. Black levels and shadow detail looked rock-solid and ridiculously stable to me, though I did detect some moments such as when Tatum’s character is crawling around with Foxx in the catacombs below the White House that exhibited mild to medium black crush, making it difficult to tell what was going on for a moment or two. But in this forgivable crush, the blacks didn’t break into pixilated noise, twitching, dithering or grain – they stayed solid and inky. Speaking of grain, not a speck of film grain was noted by me during the Blu-ray Disc’s viewing, but this has been something steadily evolving since the format’s launch (much to the dismay of some diehard videophiles who argue, sometimes, too much DNR is being applied to the transfers to “scrub” them up. In the case of White House Down, the visuals appeared to be crystal clear from the onset of the master video codec).

Outdoor sequences also exploded with sharp, vivid contrast levels while colors overall remained constant and perceivably accurate; all in all a very nice effort by Sony, visually.

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AUDIO QUALITY ANALYSIS: HOW DID THE DISC SOUND?

Unfortunately, the English DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 soundtrack on the Region A disc didn’t fare quite as well as the video – for some unknown reason, yet again, this one wasn’t a barnstormer to my ears. What happened? Riddled with an overall low-ish mastering volume, a distinct and unavoidable lack of LFE and some missed surround information moments, White House Down let me down in the audio department…though I know 99-percent of you are going to disagree (at this point, I’m beginning to suspect the DTS-HD MA decoder in my AVR is defective or caught a bug).

Somewhat soft and “un-aggressive” from the get-go, the Master Audio mix accompanying White House Down seemed to be holding back somewhere; as if some energy needed to be unbridled and unleashed to fully experience the sonics. As I noted, I detected a sheer, distinct lack of bass – whether it was medium-depth-plumbing or extreme low LFE drops – on the track and there were moments that appeared as if missed surround opportunities came and went. When the action begins to heat up after Tatum’s character gets involved with the White House situation, the surrounds come roaring to life and the soundtrack becomes engaging – however, there were head-scratching moments for me here such as when one of the rogue terrorists working for Woods’ character blows up the Capitol dome with his makeshift bomb in the housekeeping cart. I was expecting to have to hold on to something tight and be blown away with my volume turned up, but lo and behold this scene didn’t really pack that much of a sheer wallop when that bomb explodes through the building and the whole structure begins to come down. Again, there was a severe lack of bass on my system during this key sequence. I didn’t detect much debris being thrown around the soundstage, which one would think should accompany such a scene, and the whole thing just seemed to be lacking.

As the film prods along the audio heats up a bit, such as during the idiotic sequence involving Tatum and Foxx driving in circles around the White House lawn fountain while bullets are flying this way and that and missiles are being fired from every direction – but even still, the track seemed “restrained” a bit, as if it was holding back its sheer capabilities. Further, there were moments, I noted, when audio information got a bit “confused,” wherein all sorts of action mayhem would be transpiring on the screen and the audio cues didn’t seem to be connected to one certain corresponding speaker – the first thing you’re gonna say is that my speaker connections need to be checked to ensure polarity accuracy and all that…believe me, they’re fine.

I don’t know, my friends; this one, much like the similar Olympus Has Fallen, didn’t impress me or my critical ears. I am beginning to think this is a Sony mastering conundrum or something going south in terms of their studio budget but there’s simply no way to confirm this because none of my sources would ever outright admit that.

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POSTVIEWING SENTIMENTS:

You know, watching White House Down again last night at home simply certified my inclinations for not caring for the film when I saw it in theaters. My wife actually liked it more this time around, citing the quasi-comedic approach Emmerich took with this compared to the much more serious nature of the subject material in Antoine Fuqua’s Olympus Has Fallen – but that’s where I think Emmerich failed on the largest level here. The comedic interjections simply didn’t work in this film, making it come off like a kind of joke compared to Fuqua’s picture; where Gerard Butler was a seriously cool, kicking-tails-and-taking-names hero type in that, the “hero” here in the utterly annoying Channing Tatum fails miserably in that regard, and the chemistry – or lack thereof – between him and Foxx was even more stunning now than when I first reported on it. I mean, some of the lines were just stupid – why would an American President put on Air Jordans and chew Nicorette gum feverishly while murmuring dumb things to a Capitol cop seemingly addicted to steroids? The scene with the two of them in the Presidential limo while they’re circling the fountain was beyond dumb and embarrassing, as Foxx picks up a rocket launcher and fires it at their assailants while explaining to Tatum why there was a “zombie film” playing on the vehicle’s intelligence system (it was his “daughter’s favorite film”). And, the idiotic conversations between the two didn’t help, what with Tatum yelling out “YEAH!” here and there as the vehicle bounces, weaves and careens trying to escape the flurry of bullets hitting it. Directly compared to Olympus Has Fallen, this film comes off like a parody joke.

The worst thing, I think though, about White House Down is that it just doesn’t feel like a Roland Emmerich summer blockbuster – I mean, this is the guy that made Independence Day, The Day After Tomorrow and 2012 (okay maybe that last one is pushing it in terms of his “talent”) so he knows what it takes to send a film into the upper troposphere while making us enjoy it for years to come. That’s not what happened here. I don’t think the casting was done right nor do I think the script worked – I mean, come on…casting the bad guys as “White Supremacist” types looking to kill the President because he’s African-American? Really? That’s not uber-cliché? In comparison, the rogue Koreans working for Rick Yune in Olympus Has Fallen were much, much scarier. And having James Woods’ Secret Service Director character go batsy and want to do all this because he has a “tumor the size of a golf ball in his brain”…or for money…or because his son was killed in a operation sanctioned by President Sawyer (Foxx)…or…wait – what IS the reason he did this?

This is definitely check-your-brain-at-the-door material if I’ve ever seen it, and I suppose it has some replay value if the mood for something cheesy strikes (I bought it, didn’t I?). But coupled with the kind of subpar audio characteristics I found and the ever-evolving (each time you watch it) plot holes so big you can drive the Queen Mary through them, this was a somewhat disappointing Blu-ray release to me.

Come on, fellow ‘Shacksters – I KNOW I’m alone in this matter, so let’s hear your feedback and opinions!

On a side note: I will have my review of Grown-Ups 2 on Blu-ray up tomorrow; from what I understand the picture quality is jaw-dropping due to its 4K mastering...if it's anything like the trailers that I viewed, we're in for one wild visual ride!
 

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Thanks Osage for the review. I will have to check my head at the door so to speak for these type of in your face blow up everything action movies that has parts of it not based on reality. lol! :)

I will rent it.
 

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Thanks Osage for the review. I will have to check my head at the door so to speak for these type of in your face blow up everything action movies that has parts of it not based on reality. lol! :)

I will rent it.
Thanks for the comments, Joe.

Indeed, this wasn't the "full review," per se; it was just what we previously discussed when I did the "theatrical overview" when the film first came out -- I'll have the technical specs and my thoughts after I watch the disc tonight...

You didn't catch this in theaters?
 

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You didn't catch this in theaters?
No, wasn't able to find the time. You know how it goes.. Busy with work and family and keeping kids occupied with all their after school activities, etc. I will check this movie out near the holidays when I have some free time and when my system is upgraded! :)
 

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Well my goodness, man! Get off the Internet and begin those system renovations so you can peep some of these flicks and tell us what you think!!! :eek:lddude: :rant: :rant:

Off my soapbox now...:T
 

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lol. I know. Why be on forums when one can be watching movies instead! :)

The only saving grace for internet is that one can catch up in few min on news, sports, and hobbies.. Then go back to the real world .. :)
 

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Okay, well, I'll have my comments regarding the audio and video of this Blu-ray up within a couple of hours...
 

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note: Review updated with audio and video analysis information.
 

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Cool. Thanks for the update. Yes, this movie is for a rainy day when you have nothing else to do but watch a movie just for the unrealistic plot! lol. Will keep you entertained that is for sure! :)
 

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Cool. Thanks for the update.
No problem, Joe!

Yes, this movie is for a rainy day when you have nothing else to do but watch a movie just for the unrealistic plot! lol. Will keep you entertained that is for sure! :)
You said you didn't see it, though? :scratch:
 

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Some minor nips and tweaks made to audio/video analysis; if I feel any differently about the presentation after watching it a second time at some point I will definitely add my sentiments...
 

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You said you didn't see it, though? :scratch:
lol. yes, meaning, after reading the review, it is like one saw the movie so it will be entertaining on a rainy day when nothing else is on.. Just have to check your head at the door and just enjoy the silliness. :)

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Well then, I agree the video side of things was superb, very well done. Ok now for the other side, I thought the audio side was brilliantly done, deep and wide when needed, less so when not. I wanted for nothing in way of a sonic spectacular.

As far as the film itself, I liked that a great deal too. I found it no less far out there than any other of the modern day action films. Yes its a bit weird to see vehicles driving around on the White House grounds but maybe no less weird most any newer chase scene at the beginning of a Bond movie. Well maybe a bad example but I think my point is clear, I would say something about an X Wing Fighter making u turns as a zillion miles an hour but I think I would be squashed. :innocent:
 

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lol. yes, meaning, after reading the review, it is like one saw the movie so it will be entertaining on a rainy day when nothing else is on.. Just have to check your head at the door and just enjoy the silliness. :)

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Got-cha.
 

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Well then, I agree the video side of things was superb, very well done. Ok now for the other side, I thought the audio side was brilliantly done, deep and wide when needed, less so when not. I wanted for nothing in way of a sonic spectacular.

As far as the film itself, I liked that a great deal too. I found it no less far out there than any other of the modern day action films. Yes its a bit weird to see vehicles driving around on the White House grounds but maybe no less weird most any newer chase scene at the beginning of a Bond movie. Well maybe a bad example but I think my point is clear, I would say something about an X Wing Fighter making u turns as a zillion miles an hour but I think I would be squashed. :innocent:
Thanks for your thoughts on this one, Jack; and I was about to comment in the other thread that you never contribute to my review threads! :D

I figured I was gonna be in the minority on the audio findings; yeah, for whatever reason, this one didn't blow me through the wall...:scratch:
 

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Thanks for your thoughts on this one, Jack; and I was about to comment in the other thread that you never contribute to my review threads! :D I figured I was gonna be in the minority on the audio findings; yeah, for whatever reason, this one didn't blow me through the wall...:scratch:
Naw I love to read your thoughts and reviews. Until recently I have not said much anywhere, a bit of the blues had set in. Of late, been feeling a bit better so might as well use the time wisely. Actually come to think of it I do not even watch any amount of movies really, so nothing much to confirm or deny.

For now I am back and shall look to further thoughts on things.
 

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I know exactly what you mean about having the blues...this holiday season will be the one-year anniversary we lost our beloved Black Lab/Aussie Shepherd...and my wife lost her dad around the holidays a couple of years before that...

Is there anything in particular that's got you down that we could cheer you up about? :D
 

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Thank You Sir but no, me thinks there is not much anyone can do, unless you have an extra job laying about. I lost my job in August and something new has happened to me, I am unemployed for the first time since I was 15 years old. I am working on putting together my own business but it might take awhile.

In addition, my wife, who has been afflicted with Crohns disease all of her life has had an awful recurrence of late, most probably due in part to stress. As such, she will be in for surgery next week to remove the diseased area and it will be a difficult thing to go through.

Other then that, it seems time to sell many things I do not need which may actually clean out the house and garage a bit. We need to clean out stuff anyway we think, so maybe this is the way things were meant to be. :huh:
 

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Edit.
 

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Anyone else see this yet? What did you make of the audio/video presentation? :scratch:
 
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