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I got a yammy hooked up with Klipsch budget speakers (VF-35) and I always heard that ppl love the sound of the music or movies using Pure Direct but honestly when I use it the result is the most flat and boring sound ever.

The speakers act like if somebody have covered the tweeters with a thick blanket and the bass is almost non existent. So my question is this: which one is to blame? The speakers or the receiver?
 

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I'm not sure there would be any reason to assign blame to either. Are you happy with the sound in other listening modes? In pure direct mode your YPAO room correction is no longer engaged as well as any other audio processing. With my Onkyo in pure mode which is similar Audyssey is no longer engaged and the sound is pretty plain also.
 

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Ok, you 35's have triple 5.25's and aluminum dome horn, so it should sound different in Direct vs. EQ'd. The Direct with my Yamaha removes all tone control, removes as much processing as possible to provide a clean signal. Heres a thought, how does it sound when you turn the EQ to GEQ or off in normal listening mode not Direct? Try that and see if there is a difference.
 

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Thnks for the quick reply. Yes I have tried with the eq settings and the sound improved a lot actually I run the YPAO on Natural and from there I start to tweak the settings and use everything on Straight I cant stand either the music enhancer or the other surround modes.

But when I select Pure Direct the system sound fuller but like I described before: with top & bottom end gone. So basically thats all the type of sound I can get from Pure Direct right?
 

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The "Natural" really rolls off the highs and boosts lower mid and lows, seems logical with a horn setup. The "Flat" for me with Yamaha is their best curve and wakes up the top end so much, imo. The differences between natural and flat should be dramatic. So you know its not the receiver if things sound great with YPAO. I looked at the Klipsch site at your enclosures and they may have a resonance purposely engineered into them. I'm betting they are tuned for some upper bass response thus giving you that full sound in Direct. I read also that even extremely efficient the aluminum was designed to not be so sharp vs. the titaniums Klipsch uses. My dad has some F1's that need eq'n to take all that energy and smooth it over the full frequency range.
 

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To answer, i'm thinking yes if YPAO makes all better than Direct. Our Yamaha receivers already deliver that full, rich, and accurate sound so maximizing YPAO to smooth out those 35's maybe more enjoyable in your room and your specific acoustics in your room.
 

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You need to remember that most speakers under $1000 will not be truly flat if there is no EQ applied to them. Room acoustics also play a huge role in how they will sound thus YAPO, Audyssey, MMAC and other room EQ systems will correct for that as best they can.
 

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Have you played with speaker placement at all? Also those towers are able to be bi-amped. If your not using your zone2 on the Yamaha you may want to play with removing the jumpers from the towers and powering the tweeters separately from the woofers. Adding this power to the tweeter and woofers may just give you the boost your looking for.
 

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Adding this power to the tweeter and woofers may just give you the boost your looking for.
That boost is so minimal that I highly suspect you could ever tell a difference. The highs would draw at the very most 10 watts of power.
 

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You need to remember that most speakers under $1000 will not be truly flat if there is no EQ applied to them. Room acoustics also play a huge role in how they will sound thus YAPO, Audyssey, MMAC and other room EQ systems will correct for that as best they can.
Thats why normally the value of the speakers should be superior or similar to the price of the receiver right? Low price=mediocre sound
 

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Have you played with speaker placement at all? Also those towers are able to be bi-amped. If your not using your zone2 on the Yamaha you may want to play with removing the jumpers from the towers and powering the tweeters separately from the woofers. Adding this power to the tweeter and woofers may just give you the boost your looking for.
Tried before to no avail. Probably should try a real speaker wire ( right now im using some 16 gauge wire I got lying around the house)
 

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The "Natural" really rolls off the highs and boosts lower mid and lows, seems logical with a horn setup. The "Flat" for me with Yamaha is their best curve and wakes up the top end so much, imo. The differences between natural and flat should be dramatic. So you know its not the receiver if things sound great with YPAO. I looked at the Klipsch site at your enclosures and they may have a resonance purposely engineered into them. I'm betting they are tuned for some upper bass response thus giving you that full sound in Direct. I read also that even extremely efficient the aluminum was designed to not be so sharp vs. the titaniums Klipsch uses. My dad has some F1's that need eq'n to take all that energy and smooth it over the full frequency range.
Already tried with Flat and I didnt like the sound for me the highs sounded "metallic" and dry so far between Front & Natural I prefer the sound of the latter.
 

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Thats why normally the value of the speakers should be superior or similar to the price of the receiver right? Low price=mediocre sound
Its kind of the "chicken before the egg" thing, Its really important to have good amplification but good speakers is also important and you dont need to break the bank to get either.
 

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Its kind of the "chicken before the egg" thing, Its really important to have good amplification but good speakers is also important and you dont need to break the bank to get either.
In that case would I benefit from an outboard amplifier or that benefit would be minimal? I dont know but I think I got bitten by the wife-dreaded upgraditis bug.
 

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What model Yamaha do you have?
 

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One thing I forgot to mention is that I use a WD Live box hdmi to stream everything through my network and I know that little box is very far away from "audiophile" standards.
 

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Its rated to do 95watts per ch so I suspect it will in reality do about 65watts per channel. Your speakers are fairly efficient so it would depend on if you like running them hot and what crossover setting your using.
 

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I was thinking to sell the receiver and upgrade to a RX-A3020 to see if I can get any improvement on the sound
 

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I was thinking to sell the receiver and upgrade to a RX-A3020 to see if I can get any improvement on the sound
Huge boost
Look at Marantz also now that your getting into that price point. Everyone here will recommend an onkyo and they're good but I like me some Marantz!

Also try the bi-amping. It's free and you may be surprised.
 
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