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Got a project for a customer who wants to setup a portable projector outside and have a screen mounted for veiwing of various programming (DVDs, sports, whatever). With this screen being outside, and obviously going anywhere from daylight to night time is there any type of screen that would work well in this situation? I'm pretty sure no matter what screen or projector (within reason) outdoors daylight viewing is not gonna be preferable, but I'd like to get soemthing that will work as well as it can.

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Just spit-balling here. If you used a tent and a rear projection screen in the doorway, with a fly over it, that would be like a huge RPTV with a sun visor. You would still need a bright pj and then we would have to find a good material for rear projection. I would chose a high output pj with moderate CR, so like 3000 Lumens and 1000:1 CR sort of ball park.

This is a tough one though, I think we should break up into groups. ;)
 
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LOL!!! RED TEAM GO!!!

I wish it were that simple. Custoemr has built an "outdoor kitchen" wants to set a portable projector on the couter top, and point it at a projector screen that we will mount in his patio ceiling. The area is open air.

I may try to see if we can't just convince him to go with a nice flat screen TV, but that will be a hard sell, unless I can show him that they cost about the same. But then agian it's easier to justify a small projector, rather than an entire TV.

He has good intentions, but I don't think he'll be happy with it except at night.
 

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I may try to see if we can't just convince him to go with a nice flat screen TV, but that will be a hard sell, unless I can show him that they cost about the same. But then agian it's easier to justify a small projector, rather than an entire TV.

He has good intentions, but I don't think he'll be happy with it except at night.
A small projector is not capable of doing anything by itself. You will have to figure in the cost of a signal source etc.

A projector capable of producing anything worth the bother is probably going to cost as much as a nice 52" LCD HDTV. A **** brand TV will produce a better image then he will get in daylight conditions outside with a projector.

Maybe you need to show him what to expect.
 

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He has good intentions, but I don't think he'll be happy with it except at night.
That will be a definite. The enemy of any projector setup is ambient light, and sunlight is the worse, it's a projector killer... like kryptonite is to Superman.

Sounds like an outdoor theater to me!

Outdoor theaters are more of a fun aspect than super high resolutions, so to me it's sounding like this person wants a big image that has kind of a drive in feel, is that a close assumption? If so, and since they already ran coax and seem set on that as what will feed the projector it doesn't sound like they are expecting a high end dedicated theater setup, or is he/she?

There are a lot of cool things a person can do as far as an outdoor theater, you can even buy old drive-in speakers complete with the stands and they aren't that expensive. Most don't work, but I personally wouldn't use them for the audio anyway, just for decor.

I'm still working on the whole coax feed issue. I guess it would be best to describe what they want and more important expect. If they are expecting something to watch the ball games on Sunday while doing an afternoon cookout, a projector system isn't going to please them at all.

Tiddler is right, the only way they are going to be able to use this during the day will be to set up some sort of enclosed rear projection system, or go with a 5000 lumen projector (and even then its going to wash out with strong sunlight). Don't worry about CR, you're going to want lumens that's for sure.

Let's start here... what is the project budget? If you say a grand, I'm going to say go to Sam's Club and get a set there... I saw a 60" crt 1080i RPTV there for around a grand. Of course I don't know how long that would last outside exposed to the elements... 720p sets are pretty inexpensive now too, so maybe an enclosure to protect it from the weather, but neither of those options are very 'stealth' and would require permanant space.

This will be an interesting project. Get rid of that coax though! Or get a converter box and let's start with what the project budget is and then we can look at projectors.

You could check into a Planar screen, but they are probably outside the budget and also not retractable (not the one I am thinking of at least).

To quote Number 5 from Short Circuit "Need more input Stephanie!"
 
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Hopefully we can communicate that to him when we see him tonight.
 

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A projector capable of producing anything worth the bother is probably going to cost as much as a nice 52" LCD HDTV.
I've seen some pretty big 720p HDTVs down at Sam's Club for around the $700-800 price, it's going to be impossible to get a light cannon projector for that price unless it's a used one.

Tiddler I agree though, this is starting to sound more and more like an RPTV or LCD setup. Still... something has to be done about that coax only video source. ;)

EchoMike, in all seriousness, get a full budget and expectations and I'm sure we can come up with something.
 
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WBASSET, budget has not really been discussed yet. Tonight will be the first face to face meeting about it. The guy is a friend of mine, and we've talked about what he wants. But whne I ask about budget, he never really gices me an answer. Personally I know that at this point money is not a hurdle. The guy has plenty, but at the same time he doesn't seem to be excited about really exploring alot of options. Plus since he ddn;t bring us in until 3/4 of the way thru, I'm not sure how much flexibility we're gonna have.
You pretty much nailed it on the head though. Lets say football games during a cookout. Could be some nite time movie parties or something like that. I agree with the coax, not even my 3rd option to transmit video signal. Unless we could get him to call the satellit company, get another reciever, and run THAT coax to the counter and then lpug that in the sat box, and come out to a projector with whatever we want. But then again, by te tme you get all that done and paid for we might as well have just bout a TV.
It being outside, it's hard to sell him on a TV due to the weather and what not, and with the construction mostly finished we have just about zero options to get some kind of weatherproof cabiet built. My freind that I do this with is a better salesman than I am so hopefully he can communicate our concerns, and offer some creative solutions.
Even so, is there a length limitation on component, or even HDMI? I'm sure there has to be.
HDMI wouldn't work anyway, becaus eI'm posotive that his receiver, nor his TV has HDMI.
He has an idea in his head on what he wants, but he's not educated enuf to really understand the challenges. If I had my way, I'd get him a nice receiver, multi zones, and at least go with component.
Either way it's not gonna be easy. But I'm always up for a challenge
 

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Is there a large picture window visible from the outside kitchen area?

If so you could have a retractible rear projection screen inside the house. The projector would also be inside the house. If there was an awning over the window this might work.

I have also seen people talking about using their garage as a huge RPTV. The projector is in the garage safe and the screen is pulled down in place of the garage door. Maybe you could do something similar with a garden shed or pool change house.
 
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And can I just say...

It's nice to be on a forum with ADULTS. So disheartening to be online, and have every question turn into a flame war with insults going back and forth.

How refreshing. LOL
 
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There are windows in the patio, but the glass has panes in it. I wish I knew how to post pics on this site
 

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...You pretty much nailed it on the head though. Lets say football games during a cookout. Could be some nite time movie parties or something like that. I agree with the coax, not even my 3rd option to transmit video signal. Unless we could get him to call the satellit company, get another reciever, and run THAT coax to the counter and then lpug that in the sat box, and come out to a projector with whatever we want. But then again, by te tme you get all that done and paid for we might as well have just bout a TV.

Right now that sounds like a much more viable way to go. It will definitely give more flexibility for options for the entire project. Based on this information, the projector I found and mentioned in the other thread definitely isn't going to work.

It being outside, it's hard to sell him on a TV due to the weather and what not, and with the construction mostly finished we have just about zero options to get some kind of weatherproof cabiet built. My freind that I do this with is a better salesman than I am so hopefully he can communicate our concerns, and offer some creative solutions.

Also, a retractable screen can develop wave problems unless its a tab tensioned screen. Seeing that this will be outside and will draw moisture (dew, humidity, as well as other factors) the screen could get pretty wavy quick. This is doable, but sit down with him and explain the potential problems and that he is going to have to make some compromises, such as having an additional satellite box installed. That may be a pain, but in the end it opens up things for a better solution.

Even so, is there a length limitation on component, or even HDMI? I'm sure there has to be.
HDMI wouldn't work anyway, becaus eI'm posotive that his receiver, nor his TV has HDMI.
He has an idea in his head on what he wants, but he's not educated enuf to really understand the challenges. If I had my way, I'd get him a nice receiver, multi zones, and at least go with component.
Either way it's not gonna be easy. But I'm always up for a challenge.

You can get repeaters for HDMI cables, so you can get some pretty long runs. Definitely save yourself (and your buddy) some money and check out Monoprice or RiteAV for your cables. I bought a bunch of HDMI cables and Toslink cables from RiteAV and had no problems with them at all.
As long as your buddy is reasonable and willing to make some small changes, this sounds like a fun project.
 
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Maybe these will help (hopefully this works)

(tried to post a pic, but it didn't seem to work.)

Here's the link.
http://picasaweb.google.com/EchoMike03/BYProject/photo#5075212647138103666

This is from the "kitchen" counter pointing back towards the patio. you can see the windows that go into the dining room. Not sure if the distance from the window to the edge of the will be enuf room to project a big enuf picture.
 

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[img_]http://lh6.google.com/image/EchoMike03/Rm7HA1A8kXI/AAAAAAAAAnY/6cMw6cGq0JQ/Patio%202.jpg?imgmax=800[/img_]

Get rid if the "_" characters and then you get the photo instead.

 
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It would be nice if I could get a sturdy swivel mount on that column, and put a good sized TV there. But then you gotta worry about taking up and down because you would not want to leave it there
 

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Looking at the photo I would say the ideal location for a screen would be over the two windows. It would be somewhat protected from the sun light.
 
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Right move it back as far as possible to get it out of the sun. I feel ya!

Of course, I'm sure his vision willbe that he wants everyone in the yard to have a good look at it. But that is also not a realistic goal for a projector.

I'm telling you this is gonna be a tricky one.

If I had the time, and he'd let me do it, I'd really love to put it on the Chimney wall that is basically in the middle of the yard. The auido wold come from both patios, and most people could see it. But that would include cabling around the chimney, and building an enlsure of some kind.

You can see the chimeny in one of the pics I took of the length of the yard. It has the big star on it to the left of the mini bar, and bar stools you can see
 

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Mike I see lots of potential there... I'm kinda envious! I would love to be doing a project like this ;)
 
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I agree this thing could be really awsome if I could convince to let go of the purse strings a little more, and he had brought us in a little earlier.
 

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I just took another look throught the photos, and I am compeled to ask if your friend might be open to the idea of adopting a son?

I also could not help but look at the tent thing across from the chimney. Looks like the start of a huge RPTV doen't it? ;)

It also occurred to me that if we do break up into groups there are at least three patio areas and the beach. So we will be limited to four groups. So far there is you, me, and wbassett participating in this problem solving question. It seems we need at least one more participant to break up into the maximum number of problem solving groups. :rofl:

OK, maybe it's not quite that funny. :neener:
 
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