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HAHAHAHA!!!! The better puictures are in the garage. That's where the Viper, Hummer, BMW, 2 Harley's, and the boat live. LOL

"Tent thing", are you talking about the cover swing thing?
 

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HAHAHAHA!!!! The better puictures are in the garage. That's where the Viper, Hummer, BMW, 2 Harley's, and the boat live. LOL

"Tent thing", are you talking about the cover swing thing?
I have no problem with too many vehicles, therefore the offer still stands. I'm pretty handy and not so good looking. Now some may think that is not a selling point but think about it, if an ugly guy is standing next to a regular looking guy, suddenly he's not so regular looking. It's kinda like having a black boarder on the screen makes the whites look whiter.

I think that may be a swing set with a shade over it, right. Oh well.
 
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I'll have more pics, hopefully a budget, and a betterunderstanding about what we have to work with after tonight.

I'll post anything new I get. :nerd:
 
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I tell you what would be PIMP-TABULOUS would be to build a "bar", off that column in the picture above that is almost stoned in, leave the inside hollow, and rig the top to flip open, and have a 60" plasma/LCD come out of it, and be on a swivel so you could turn it at least 90 degrees in any direction. That way when it's not in use, people have an extra place to congregate, and sit drinks. Put some nice stools around it. Great picture i's out of the way, people can sit around the fireplace, or even be over by the pool and still have a good picture.
 

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I tell you what would be PIMP-TABULOUS would be to build a "bar", off that column in the picture above that is almost stoned in, leave the inside hollow, and rig the top to flip open, and have a 60" plasma/LCD come out of it, and be on a swivel so you could turn it at least 90 degrees in any direction. That way when it's not in use, people have an extra place to congregate, and sit drinks. Put some nice stools around it. Great picture i's out of the way, people can sit around the fireplace, or even be over by the pool and still have a good picture.
If you had it swing up against the ceiling the boys could sit at the bar and secretly watch the game up on the ceiling. They would just have to be very attentive to getting the ladies' drinks for them.
 
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If there were just a way to "weatherproof" the cabinet or TV without sacrificing ventilation.
 
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Looks like it will be do-able, but I'm not so sure how happy he'll be if he tries to watch anything during the day. The back patio does get most of it's direct sunlight blocked by a huge shade tree so hopefully that will help it a little. He wants something pretty low budget. So much so that since we came in on the project late and did not have a chance to lay any conduit in the "kitchen" itself, he is actually opting to just drape cable and extension cord over the kitchen counter. I'm nt gonna let him do that though. I'll do what I can to make sure the install looks clean. I don't want to do a half *** job.
But if we can make it work, I think we'll definately have somethng fun. :)
 

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I thought you were going with a retractable screen?

Anyway, I am assuming there will be some sort of hinge and it will fold up to the ceiling? If there is any way to do a swivel mount so the Do-Able panel can be flipped, go to True Value and get a can of 1982 Winter Mountain. A quart should do and is between $7-$9. Prime the back side of the Do-Able panel with Kilz2, and then paint it with Winter Mountain. For some added protection as well as additional gain, you can also put a coat of Behr Crystal Clear Water Based Polyurethane, N0. 780 Clear Matte. Then he will have a good night time screen as well as something that will work with some light.

Why such a small screen for an outdoor theater? Most outdoor theaters are larger to accommodate bigger groups that tend to be at further distances and angles.

One concern as far as Do-Able for an outdoor screen is moisture. In the long haul I'm not sure how well it will hold up to the elements. The good thing is if you have access to Do-Able, if anything happens you can get another sheet. That's fine for yourself, but this guy seems rather difficult. Skyman knows I have the utmost respect for Do-Able, so this isn't meant negative toward it as a screen... but this guy owns a Viper and a Hummer and wants to go cheap (not that the performance of Do-able is cheap by any means, rather his whole mentality seems cheap and slip shot) Do-Able is fantastic as a indoor screen, but again I'm not so sure it will last a season outside exposed to the elements... who knows though maybe it will.

What projector is he getting?
 

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You should consider painting the screen with Sherwin Williams "Gray Screen".

Take a look at some of these high ambient light screen shots that wbasset posted.

I believe wbassett got it in a matte finish that is quite washable too.
Todd I would have suggested GS, but his friend sounds like he wants to cut costs and corners as much as possible, and seeing Gray Screen is around $42 a gallon and you can't just get a quart, it sounds like that's more than he wants to spend.
 

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I wonder if the Behr UPW Enamel in a matte finish would be similar. A quart tint of 0 6 0 LB + 0 2 0 YO would be reasonably neutral. The Behr enamels are supposed to be washable and more durable. I just know the white Do-able is not going to workout very well in this setup.

Actually another approach would be to go with the Do-able and when the guy realizes it aint so good Mike saves the day with a couple of coats of Behr Matte Poly with Delta Silver Metallic. I should have tried some variations with matte poly, faux glaze and silver metallic that may be even better.

I know some of you may recognize the use of Faux Glaze and Silver Metallic, and no this is not my creation and I take no credit for the use of this combination of paint products. I am however going to do some experimenting with these type of clear, tinted, and frosting like top coats. I will present my observations in the Clear Coat Experimentation thread.
 

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I just skimmed through the thread but I can't find a posting of the project he is using.

What projector is being considered for this application?
 
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Not sure of the projector. My buddy is going thru some of his sources, and some of you foolks have been kind enough to throw some suggestions my way.

We will do some kind of pull down screen.I'm suggesting a tensioned one, and would like to see at least 100". We could go more than that, but we have to take all the measurements into consideration before we make a decision. Can't make it too big since most people will sitting between the PJ and the screen almost at the same level due to the fact that we are building this into the porch. If it were reversed and out in the yard, size would not be an option.
 

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I wonder if the Behr UPW Enamel in a matte finish would be similar. A quart tint of 0 6 0 LB + 0 2 0 YO would be reasonably neutral. The Behr enamels are supposed to be washable and more durable. I just know the white Do-able is not going to workout very well in this setup.

Actually another approach would be to go with the Do-able and when the guy realizes it aint so good Mike saves the day with a couple of coats of Behr Matte Poly with Delta Silver Metallic. I should have tried some variations with matte poly, faux glaze and silver metallic that may be even better.

I know some of you may recognize the use of Faux Glaze and Silver Metallic, and no this is not my creation and I take no credit for the use of this combination of paint products. I am however going to do some experimenting with these type of clear, tinted, and frosting like top coats. I will present my observations in the Clear Coat Experimentation thread.
Yeah it might be similar but at this point I really don't know and can't say with certainty. I know Winter Mountain is extremely neutral (believe it or not it came in more neutral than GTI N8, and that was from the numbers provided directly from GTI's lab), plus for under $10 it's pretty hard to deviate from a known right now for this situation. If EchoMike were doing this for himself and not a friend, I'd say do some experimenting/testing, but I don't think he has that leeway.

I am still concerned about how well Do-able is going to stand up to being outside all the time. If it turns out it can handle the elements that's great news. Personally if I were using Do-able, I'd keep the white side as is for night viewing, and then paint the back side for daytime viewing. I know someone that did exactly that for a flippable screen and they are very happy with it, but it is also being used indoors and not outside exposed to the weather.
 

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Not sure of the projector. My buddy is going thru some of his sources, and some of you foolks have been kind enough to throw some suggestions my way.

We will do some kind of pull down screen.I'm suggesting a tensioned one, and would like to see at least 100". We could go more than that, but we have to take all the measurements into consideration before we make a decision. Can't make it too big since most people will sitting between the PJ and the screen almost at the same level due to the fact that we are building this into the porch. If it were reversed and out in the yard, size would not be an option.
If you could mount the projector in the patio you could do a rear projection setup, that way there is no concern about people walking in front of the projector. Plus the patio itself will provide some light blockage. There are many options but it sounds like you have some restrictions and parameters you have to deal with too.
 
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Rear projection has been suggested, but the patio is approx 5-6 feet wide from the house to the yard. There is a picture of it somewhere further up in the post. So I'm not sure how big the display area would be at that point.
Now just to clarify, wha you say rear projection I'm guessing we are talking about using a screen material that is slightly opaque so that you point the projector at the back of the screen, but the image is vissible on the front. Correct?
 

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Correct, but that throw distance isn't going to work.
 
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