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Congrats Paul. You must be busting waiting for the Seatons. I would be very interested in your thoughts once you get them setup. I am thinking about a Seaton speaker upgrade myself & looking to digest as much information on 8c/12c setup as I can get my hands on.

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Thanks guys.

My ability to wax lyrically is much less than these other fine fellows, but as is arbitrary with a Seaton purchase, I will see what I can do when they arrive to encourage the next Seaton sale ;)
 

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Thanks guys.

My ability to wax lyrically is much less than these other fine fellows, but as is arbitrary with a Seaton purchase, I will see what I can do when they arrive to encourage the next Seaton sale ;)
Appreciate it. Do you have an ETA yet?
 

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WOW Kill3m I wish I lived closer.
 

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Great review.

While I have not heard the 8C, I do own three 12C's (along with 4 SubMersives and 4 Sparks). I will assume that the 8C is voiced like the 12C in these comments.

I purchased the Cats PRIMARILY for 2 channel and my view of their strengths (and weaknesses) in this area differ a bit from those expressed in the review. However, (1) my room is VERY heavily treated and (2) I use digital room correction (DiracLive running on my music server). But even without the room correction, I don't find them as in your face as some. And I agree that toeing out is a good idea (but more for soundstage width than anything else).

II would agree that these speakers are anything but polite. Lousy recording equal lousy playback. My speakers prior to the Cats were Dunlavy SC-VI's. I had also owned Wilson, Thiel, B&W, et al.

As a point of reference, it became clear to me a long time ago that there is no home audio system in the known or unknown Universe at any price that can actually sound like live music. I used to think that a small jazz group could be fairly well approximated --- until my wife hired a 3 piece jazz group for my last birthday. They played in our home and I instantly realized that while we are closer than we were 30 years ago in approximating live, we are still a zillion miles away. An audio buddy was in attendance who owns $175,000 2 channel system (easily the best I have ever heard) and he would totally agree with the inability to re-create live.

Given that, I decided to pursue "fun" in place of "accurate". In that regard, there is no better 2 channel music system I have heard that is more "fun" that the Seaton Catalysts.

And for home theater, easily the best I have ever heard. I have no doubt you can get better but probably at 2 to 10 times the price.

Great products (and Mark is a great guy).

Current Theater:
 

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As a point of reference, it became clear to me a long time ago that there is no home audio system in the known or unknown Universe at any price that can actually sound like live music. I used to think that a small jazz group could be fairly well approximated --- until my wife hired a 3 piece jazz group for my last birthday. They played in our home and I instantly realized that while we are closer than we were 30 years ago in approximating live, we are still a zillion miles away. An audio buddy was in attendance who owns $175,000 2 channel system (easily the best I have ever heard) and he would totally agree with the inability to re-create live.
Well put. As soon as you set up a microphone and start to record, you are changing the sound. Accuracy is always relative to some artificial standard.

Given that, I decided to pursue "fun" in place of "accurate". In that regard, there is no better 2 channel music system I have heard that is more "fun" that the Seaton Catalysts.
Looks like you have tried the best, whatever that means (artificial standards again). You get no argument from me.
 

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Much thanks to Wayne for putting the whole review together - it was a great experience for all of us and in the end one that lightened my wallet a bit. ;)

I am waiting on the stands to be completed to get my new 8cs put in the theater - hopefully that will be within the next couple weeks - and I will make sure to post back impressions.
 

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Much thanks to Wayne for putting the whole review together - it was a great experience for all of us and in the end one that lightened my wallet a bit. ;)

I am waiting on the stands to be completed to get my new 8cs put in the theater - hopefully that will be within the next couple weeks - and I will make sure to post back impressions.
Congratulations Joe on the 8C's. Looking forward to reading your impressions of them. I am considering them for my next HT speaker upgrade. Not sure what model I should be considering (8c vs 12c). My HT is 3200 cubic feet & is well treated. I will also need 4 sparks for surrounds. Currently going through learning curve to better understand Mark's product offerings and how each option could fit into my setup.

Good luck with the install
 

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Congratulations Joe on the 8C's. Looking forward to reading your impressions of them. I am considering them for my next HT speaker upgrade. Not sure what model I should be considering (8c vs 12c). My HT is 3200 cubic feet & is well treated. I will also need 4 sparks for surrounds. Currently going through learning curve to better understand Mark's product offerings and how each option could fit into my setup.

Good luck with the install
Wish I could do the Sparks, but I do not have the outlets in a location necessary to get them. For your sized room, you could do the 12cs I think. The 8s did just fine in Sonnie's room as well, so I think you are in the size area where you could really do either. My room is only about 1900-2000 cubic feet so the 12cs would be a bit much for me...
 

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Wish I could do the Sparks, but I do not have the outlets in a location necessary to get them. For your sized room, you could do the 12cs I think. The 8s did just fine in Sonnie's room as well, so I think you are in the size area where you could really do either. My room is only about 1900-2000 cubic feet so the 12cs would be a bit much for me...
I have the same situation regarding outlets so I will probably get an electrician to relocate existing ones up higher on walls for side surrounds. I run DSX wide channels as well so need to relocate outlets for those too.
What surrounds will you use with the C8's?
 

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I am going to stick with my Salk SongSurround Is for now - hopefully, at some point Mark decides to make a passive version and I may consider swapping to those....
I must admit I have a steep learning curve with the Seaton products but being active speakers can you use passive surrounds with them? I read the active speakers are very quick and passive when used in combination with them may lag. Not sure if that makes any sense. If passive surrounds can be used I would rather use my existing SVS MBS-01s as surrounds in the short term to reduce overall costs. Longer term I would upgrade to the active sparks when funds become available.

Just wondering what passive surrounds sound like with active LCR?
 

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Just want too say i enjoyed this excellent review. Its nice to read a professional review on the products you own. 3 Cat12c 4 Cat8c 2 submersive hp . I am almost ready to finally get my system up and running again. I just finished room treatments. Now have to just figure out the best locations for L&R and subs then run Audyssey XT32 then check with omini mic. From reading the review on Audyssey set up i have never read about only taking 3 measurements even from the home page on Audyssey and other Audyssey forums. I was wandering if you could explain in more detail about why you think 3 measurements are better than The Audyssey recommended amount of measurements. Also were did the 3 measurements take place in listening area. Here is what you said in review

Imaging and Soundstage


Only three measurements points were taken around the listening position for the Audyssey MultEQ setup, so timing information was preserved in the way that lends itself to good soundstage and imaging within the 5.1 context. It is intriguing how few home theater systems using Audyssey MultEQ, which is very capable of preserving imaging information when set up properly, do not make use of the techniques that will accomplish it. The result in our case was a sound delivery system that was clear, concise, and presented music and sound effects with sharp accuracy, snap, and impact.

If any one up here in Ontario is thinking about buying a Seaton product and wants to see the actual true size of these products would like to come for a listen just contact me.

Mike
 

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Thanks for the feedback.

On Audyssey MultEQ, I should clarify: We used three measurement points, closely spaced, for a quick check and were satisfied with the result. Even with only three measurements points, if properly placed, it is surprising how good the imaging and sound stage can be. For regular use, I recommend using all eight points available. This is shown in detail for the end of our Audyssey Guide. Thanks again for your comments and questions.
 

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Thanks for the feedback.

On Audyssey MultEQ, I should clarify: We used three measurement points, closely spaced, for a quick check and were satisfied with the result. Even with only three measurements points, if properly placed, it is surprising how good the imaging and sound stage can be. For regular use, I recommend using all eight points available. This is shown in detail for the end of our Audyssey Guide. Thanks again for your comments and questions.
Ah! I'd read it the same as above in that the use of the 3 point calibration, instead of 8 was a deliberate choice, made because it was better for imaging.

It appears now though that your imaging reference you made was to the use of audyssey, not the 3 measurement positions.
 

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Thanks for the feedback.

On Audyssey MultEQ, I should clarify: We used three measurement points, closely spaced, for a quick check and were satisfied with the result. Even with only three measurements points, if properly placed, it is surprising how good the imaging and sound stage can be. For regular use, I recommend using all eight points available. This is shown in detail for the end of our Audyssey Guide. Thanks again for your comments and questions.

Thanks for clarifying. I am new to Audyssey set ups. Look forward too checking out this site. Lots of reading to do.
 

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As a point of reference, it became clear to me a long time ago that there is no home audio system in the known or unknown Universe at any price that can actually sound like live music.
Absolutely agree! It took me a long time to come to this conclusion. It's a mythical goal. Fortunately, I didn't go broke on the journey. Once I got past that hump it was easy to focus in on speakers that get the most important job done. Producing music that's "fun" to listen to. Hence my ending up with the catalysts and speaker upgraditis being dead. No longer am I fidgeting with stuff or wondering what if I did X. It's turn it on and have a blast.

Don't get me wrong there are a lot of wonderful sounding speakers out there. But there was always an exception with all of them. They do this or that good.. or sound better with certain music.. or they have to be placed in a strict location and work well for this small spot to listen in. You can go on and on. The catalyst is the first speaker I can just forget about and listen. Hiding them behind a screenwall takes it even further. Sometimes you forget what's behind there. :gulp:
 
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