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This may sound dumb, but what are you using for a subwoofer?

Its possible that the Emotiva sounds so much better because of the way the bass management is handled. I find most AVRs to be a bit light on the bass end of things, and considering you're listening to average volume levels, chances are you're enjoying the "loudness" effect that the UMC-1 creates.

It was my understanding that the mains are EQ'd as full range as possible, and then the EQ'd signal is sent to the subwoofer, which is then EQ'd again, and then crossed out. Sonnie did a review on this that explained it quite thoroughly.

The reason i asked about the subwoofer is, if you crank the system up to high levels, does your sub audibly distort sooner? Do the towers have the ability to get as loud for the highs as before, without capping out the low end?

It seems this may all be due to the auto-eq system of the emotiva VS Audyssey's accurate calibration method.

I've done a lot of research on this, and it seems like the pre/pro market is best looked at as an AVR/PRO market right now. Nothing beats a dedicated amp, The pre amps, and AVRs are so close to identical, its not worth spending the extra $$ to have less inside.
Appreciate the consideration and a great question. Tested with 2 channel only (no sub) and using zone 3 output on the Onkyo. Zone 3 only supports two channel so I doubt there's any bass management. Before hooking up the amps to the onkyo this weekend Ill re-do the test with no emo auto calibration. Now that you mention it that was a flaw in my testing methods. Since the Onkyo doesnt support auto calibration in its zone 3 support its only fair to by-pass the Emotiva's auto calibration also.
 

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Are you asking me or the thread starter? First (if you are asking me) I just ordered the UMC-1 today, so I can't comment on its use, sound quality, etc. I have 2 subs; a Kef powered sub that fills 40 hz. and below at a 24 db./8va slope and a passive NHT in-line with the Kef mains that fills 40 to 80 hz.
I will post my observations on the Emo after I've had it a while. I hope this answers your question...IF you were asking me. More to come...
 

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I've done a lot of research on this, and it seems like the pre/pro market is best looked at as an AVR/PRO market right now. Nothing beats a dedicated amp, The pre amps, and AVRs are so close to identical, its not worth spending the extra $$ to have less inside.
Though new to the HT scene, this pretty much mirrors what I have found through my own research. The UMC-1 looks great on paper but requires me to buy 7.1 channels worth of amps. An AVR lowers the cost of entry by pulling double duty for as long as I need it to, slowly adding separate amps as budget/WAF allows.
 

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Though new to the HT scene, this pretty much mirrors what I have found through my own research. The UMC-1 looks great on paper but requires me to buy 7.1 channels worth of amps. An AVR lowers the cost of entry by pulling double duty for as long as I need it to, slowly adding separate amps as budget/WAF allows.
Dont forget the Onkyo does powered 9 channel, even disregarding the dual sub support that's still NINE channels of outboard amplification required to match it! Since Emotiva no longer makes a 7 channel amp that leaves you with either 3 XPA-3s or a pair of XPA-5s to have the same channels as the Onkyo (albeit more WPC). The Onkyo may be large, physically, but its not THAT large. ;)
 

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Though new to the HT scene, this pretty much mirrors what I have found through my own research. The UMC-1 looks great on paper but requires me to buy 7.1 channels worth of amps. An AVR lowers the cost of entry by pulling double duty for as long as I need it to, slowly adding separate amps as budget/WAF allows.
Why do you think Emotivas speakers are all 4 ohm nominal? It's not because this was the best design choice for the particular speaker. The choice was made to sell more amps...

EDIT: sorry, that was a bit of a rant. Still, separates are not worth the cost of admission.
 

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If Emotiva was selling HTIAB it may be a valid point; their amps are rated at 4 and 8 ohms...just like Krell. My old Kef Ref. speakers were 4 ohm nominal. I think that my B&W Nat. 802s were 6 ohm nominal. Are they , too? I guess by that logic 1 ohm electrostatics must REALLY be junk, and since Krell's Evo. One has specs for 2 ohms we should "run away!" :eek:

As for the cost of admission, it does start a pretty steep dive into diminishing returns...I'll concede that. Perhaps that's the whole point of companies like Emotiva-the sound quality of separates at the cost of a decent ARV....??? :duh: I guess that I'll find out on Tuesday when I'll actually have an Emo product in my home. :dontknow:
If it isn't up to snuff (to my ears) I'll be happy to admit it. I'll return it and buy an AVR, but based on past experience, AVRs do not sound as good as separates. Just my 2¢ (actually my $599 :)
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I in no way meant to imply that Emotiva's speakers were junk. In fact, I'm quite sure they're very good. I just think there are some alterior motives out there for all their speakers to be designed with difficult loads for avrs. Not that this is criminal. I'd probably use the same tactics. I also believe that their amps are very good

Some of their multi woofer speakers could have very easily been 8 ohm nominal designs but they chose not to for a reason
 

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Hello,
While rated at 4 Ohms, Emotiva's Speakers are really Designed with THX Ultra Parameters in mind. That is while rated 4 Ohm Nominal, they do not appear to go lower than 3.2 Ohms which is also the same Impedance that a THX Ultra AVR/Amplifier must be able to output into All Channels. The Speakers also offer Boundary Compensation which is another most THX Feature.

I will also say that their Speakers are not exactly cheap. The lowest priced LCR still costs 299 Dollars each.
Regardless, I certainly do not think you will get the best out of them from an Entry Level AVR.
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...it's currently the finest sounding system Ive ever heard in my home and Im keeping the system...
:liar:

Just couldnt resist :devil:, entire UMC-1/UPA-1 system sold and I ordered a new XPA-5 amp from Emotiva today, $799 total with a free Emotiva T-shirt. Should arrive tomorrow...
 

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:liar:

Just couldnt resist :devil:, entire UMC-1/UPA-1 system sold and I ordered a new XPA-5 amp from Emotiva today, $799 total with a free Emotiva T-shirt. Should arrive tomorrow...
Hello,
Congratulations. You have been on a tear putting together some very nice Systems. The XPA-5 is a great Amplifier and will provide you with years of faithful service. You also now have great flexibility in regards to what Speakers you choose in the future.
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I know this thread is a little old now, but I am curious why the sale. I take it you tried the Onkyo pre-outs with the UPA-1 and like what you heard? I ask because I am a UMC-1 owner too and am curious to know what it was. The other question I had was whether you tried the UMC-1 with any digital sources. I have found the UMC-1 sound quality to be great with the XPA-5. I had the XPA-5 with an older AVR as a pre/pro but the sound quality was't that great. Mind you it was an older Denon 2106. Anyways, bow do you like the XPA-5 with the other gear you have now that it for a while?
 

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why the sale...I take it you tried the Onkyo pre-outs with the UPA-1 and like what you heard?
No I never did. I dont have the room or electrical power requirements for more than a pair of mono blocks. I loved them for the short time I was able to own them, combined with the UMC-1 is was a remarkably clean and dynamic system but simply not a practical option in my current situation. While $630 was a stellar value I personally am still a home theater guy at heart, I felt the money would be better spent upgrading power to my multichannel system. As for the UMC-1, it was a serious sacrifice in function. I use the Onkyo's dual hdmi outs, composite outs, Audussey DSX, USB inputs and 9.2 processing so it made sense to get rid of the UMC-1 as well.

The other question I had was whether you tried the UMC-1 with any digital sources.
No, this review was as far as I got, two channel analog for both rigs was the only thing I evaluated. With an elaborate existing system it would have been a major pain to incorporate it and evaluate its digital performance. I will say that from what I had seen I assume the UMC-1's digital performance is likely to be excellent.

Anyways, bow do you like the XPA-5 with the other gear you have now that it for a while?
It was a serious upgrade. Channel separation, dynamics, rear channel activity and dialog clarity have all been vastly improved. Despite being a bookshelf system I think my Infinity system is a little more demanding than one may think...
 

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Glad you are enjoying the XPA-5. It certainly is a big upgrade from modern AVR amp sections. I noticed a huge difference with mine too when I first connected it to do Denon. I personally wanted the upcoming XMC (the UMCs high end counterpart) for the processor, but the Denon was about to die so I had to get something. It has actually been quite a surprise. All my connection are digital, HDMI or optical, and it has sounded excellent. I asked about the digital sources because I have heard mixed reviews about its analog preamp section. Good to hear you had a good experience with it, regardless about your final decision! And yeah, a surround processor is a little excessive for a zone three setup...
 

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The UMC-1 just went on clearance for $499 shipped and includes a coupon for, I believe, 40% off a future upgrade to a new processor.

$499 for a new UMC-1 represents an amazing value. A UPA2 two channel 125 wpc amp for a clearance price of $299 seems like a pretty good deal as well.

As a former owner of a UMC1/UPA1 two channel system, and current owner of an XPA-5 (with another planned), I understand the almost psychotic-level of enthusiasm emotiva owners have for the brand. This company represents some of the finest values in gear today, these clearance prices drive that ideal home...
 

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Wow. $499 for a brand new SSP! That is a silly value and certainly makes going the Separates route unbelievably cost effective. And indeed there is quite a contingent of passionate Emotiva fans. I just get spooked when the Models cannot be discussed objectively.

Thankfully, while many here love Emotiva, we do not suffer from Members getting upset if anything less than outright glorification of the Brand is Posted. Some Forums, that is not the case.
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I saw those prices and was shocked...crazy quality for the money. I've owned processors from Yamaha, Rotel, Lexicon, etc. and am currently (quite happily) using the UMC-1.
 
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