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Re: Sherwood/Newcastle R-972 impressions

Nope, already looked closely. it is solid crate all the way through underneath it just like the rest of the top :dontknow:
 

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Hello,
I too have that Performance Panel at the top left of the Cover. I do not think there has been a Professional Review where they have not questioned the reason for it. However, for some reason, mine does not seem as prominent. It well could be from the angle of your picture.

Also, I personally purchased the 972 to satiate my curiosity about Trinnov. I was inches away from getting one several years ago, but there were too many issues. To S/N's credit, they really did fix the major issues and the reliability has been excellent. I have followed this AVR for years and have never read of an HDMI Board Failure or other major issue. What is awesome is that thanks to these AVR's being A-Stock, the 3 Year Warranty applies.
Even better that Amazon is still selling the 972 for $1200.
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$30,000? Where did you see that at? The Trinnov ST2-HiFi loudspeaker/room optimizer cost $6,200. What is included in the receiver is not the full version that cost $6,200... it is a valued down version.

I may have to pick up one of these just so I can do some comparisons, although with its inability to handle multiple subs like Audyssey does with XT32 and Sub HT EQ, I have a hard time believing it can do as well in the low end.
 

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All of the Professional Reviews said that the standalone Trinnov cost $13,000. Not once did I see $30,000 being mentioned. However, $13,000 was mentioned prominently. In my "I Got a New Toy" Thread, there are multiple links on the first post. It could be that the Processor price has come down...
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Maybe there are different versions, but I believe the standalone unit that most end-users would purchase is the one in the Stereophile review, which is the Trinnov ST2-HiFi loudspeaker/room optimizer. It cost $6,200 as of April 2011.
 

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I am thinking that is a new release. It makes sense as the Sherwood/Newcastle has remained the only HT Component to offer it and it is no spring chicken, It also makes sense as the write up seems to also infer that it is a new product as well meant for the HT Market as opposed to Professional Applications.
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Maybe there are different versions, but I believe the standalone unit that most end-users would purchase is the one in the Stereophile review, which is the Trinnov ST2-HiFi loudspeaker/room optimizer. It cost $6,200 as of April 2011.
Not a review but a show report.
 

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Kal... you also mentioned the two new EQ curves offering low-frequency increases of +3dB or +6dB. Do you (or any of you that have recently purchased this receiver) know if these curves are now included or can still be acquired?
 

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I am curious too as to how to get +3db & +6db EQ curves. Perhaps somebody can provide a link.
 

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Ok, so I think I setup REW correctly.
Here is the graph of the results.

Red is without Trinnov
Green is after running Trinnov No subwoffer

 

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Kal... you also mentioned the two new EQ curves offering low-frequency increases of +3dB or +6dB. Do you (or any of you that have recently purchased this receiver) know if these curves are now included or can still be acquired?
Sorry Sonnie, it was my typo error saying $30,000 for the stand alone version of Trinnov it was supposed to say $13,000

As far as an EQ curve there are several curves that you can apply to the Trinnov:

Flat ) "Flattest response of all speakers"
audio phile 1) "adjusts the surround/centre channel speakers so that they match the characteristics of the mains"
audio phile 2) "adjusts the low frequency response of all speakers to correct the acoustics of the room"
Natural ) "adds a modest boost to frequencies below 200Hz and a slight cut above 10kHz"
 

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Re: Sherwood/Newcastle R-972 impressions

Thank you for the clarification.

I noticed in your "review" you mention the $13,000 "professional" version.

You are familiar with both, how would you compare XT32 vs. the R-972 Trinnov?
Hard to say since I did not have them side-by-side. What I recall is that the Trinnov in the Sherwood did an excellent job of regular speaker/roomEQ but was plagued by requiring attention to those additional EQ curves while Pro Trinnov, of course, would let the user manipulate those variables. Audyssey, especially XT32, has not, imho, had any such issues and Pro is available for those who want/need tweaking. My niggling issues with the Sherwood, as indicated in the review were not about Trinnov.
 

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Kal, are these "3db" and "6db" Hex files available to the general public that you got from Jeff Hipps of Sherwood?

Edit: I sent Sherwood a request and explained my situation so I will post back once I hear something from them.
 

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Tony... I would be surprised if you could actually listen to either of those response curves for very long, unless your hearing drops off about 10db at 2kHz and continues to drop by 25db or more at 5kHz on up. Something is definitely wrong somewhere.

Your sub dropping off at 30-35Hz does not look right either.
 

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The sub is just a small 6.5" Yamaha so I doubt it goes much lower than that, I want to get one of those SVS SB12 NSDs but will wait till later for that as Ive spent enough LOL
As far as those readings from REW Im going to try again later this week and see whats up but I think the levels are ok below 2kHz as the CM140 isn't much good above 8kHz anyhow.
 

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Kal, are these "3db" and "6db" Hex files available to the general public that you got from Jeff Hipps of Sherwood?

Edit: I sent Sherwood a request and explained my situation so I will post back once I hear something from them.
I do not know for sure but the impression I got was that they would be provided to others "as needed."
 

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Jim,
You could always run Components to the TV and HDMI to the AVR and just switch TV Inputs when/if you want to watch TV with your HT off.
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Since my HDMI TV source is located about 35' away, I'm gonna stick with the HDMI/out from my DVR to HDMI/in on the TV, and run an optical connection from the TV to the 972 (as I have now). See any problems with that?

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Setup my receiver. Everything sounds great except the bass seems a bit off. Trinnov shows my subs -6bd point at 19hz. Can I increase the gain on the sub amp without throwing off Trinnov EQ for the sub? Wondering where can I obtain those low frequency +3db/+6db files to boost the low end.
 
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