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Perhaps we can bug Jon about a larger A5 tower. I've brought it up in conversations with him on some other forums about a possible A7? tower using a MTM top with the planar and two A5 midranges and either triple 6.5" woofers or a pair of 8" woofers.

I brought up to him that the A5 is great at $749, I wonder what he could do with a $1200-1600 tower. :unbelievable:
I am all over that... it would no doubt be an awesome speaker that would probably give $3,000 speakers a run. I really hope he does something along those lines. I will fell more comfortable with those as part of a home theater system in a room as big as mine... then I could just move the mains out for two-channel listening.


Would be great if you demo’d their new 18” subs with the entire system instead of the dual 12” subs
I hope he will send us a couple of the 18's too, but not sure how feasible it will be shipping all those heavy speakers. He will certainly get a lot of bang from a review coming from us... I would say a LOT more mileage than the reviews he has gotten thus far.


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Do you have a list ranking the speakers from 1-8, with the Arx being in first place? I understand if you don't want to go there and just leave the listening impressions as is. Fantastic job BTW. I must have checked for the results at least 10 time Saturday. :hyper:
Well... that is one thing I promised the manufacturers I would not do, so I need to stick with my promise. It is pretty obvious which ones were the top two, but from there... we all had different favorites, so I am not sure there would as much of a consensus on the overall rankings... likely not.

Another thing too... if we sent these speakers to someone with a different setup and more limitations with space... or perhaps had to place them in a great room where the WAF came into play, that might very well change the ranking. I believe it is all subjective due to peoples different setups, desires and preferences.

I understand one fellow sent his HTD THREE's back because he thought they were a bit bass shy... while all of us on the panel thought they would fair much better if the bass were dialed back a notch. Of course the bass shyness that the other guy experienced may have been due to limited placement... we don't know.

Either way, it really comes down to personal taste. I was somewhat surprised at how well we on the panel agreed on so many aspects of what we thought made great sound... and what sounded good. It may be the exception rather than the rule, I am not sure. I know when Joe and I go into the various rooms at these shows, we don't always walk out agreeing, some we do (probably most)... some we don't... all a matter of our tastes and preferences. Some of our senses are similar, some are not.
 

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I am sure I will say it more than once, but thanks to everyone for being appreciative of what we have done. It really does make us want to do more of these same events and get even better at what we do.

We learned a LOT just from this one experience that will help us on the next event, although everything about the whole process takes time and we certainly do not want to rush it. Thank you for your patience.
 

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Congratulations on what is a great writeup that was fun to follow. Looking forward to more of them.

I did find the Tekton Lore's a little harsh in the upper mid-range when turning up the volume.
With the help/guidance from Eric I ordered some Caps and resistors. I put them in and it has made all the difference. I can now turn them up very loud with no harsh effects.

I posted this on a Aussie forum and someone mentioned the change I was doing was, I quote "This is called a zobel, and counters the rising impedance of the driver at high frequencies."
It worked great.
 

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I really enjoyed reading the $1000 evaluation results and am looking forward to reading about the $2500 speaker evaluation. :)

The downside is these evaluations make me want to buy new speakers I don't need! :D
 

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I did find the Tekton Lore's a little harsh, peaky in the upper mid-range when turning up the volume. With the help/guidance from Eric I ordered some Caps and resistors. I put them in and it has made all the difference. I can now turn them up very loud with no harsh effects.
You had to modify your own speakers in order to get them to work properly? Interesting way for them to handle the situation.
 

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You had to modify your own speakers in order to get them to work properly? Interesting way for them to handle the situation.
I posted in a forum where others had the same speakers and I seemed to be the only one that found them to be a little this way.
So contacted Eric and asked if there was anything I could try changing myself as I am in Australia and I had modded some speakers before. He mentioned I could try the Zobel on them to see if it may help my situation.
I thought it may be the tweeter but after a discussion with Eric with what I was hearing he thought it may be the upper mid-range and was correct. Could be my hearing is sensitive in this area?
Quite a few speakers can make me wince a bit when the volume goes up.
 

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That is actually pretty neat that the manufacturer was that helpful. Maybe with different amps they sound different... tailor them to your liking if you are technically savvy enough to handle the details.

He could have sent them back during the trial period, but if I liked everything else about the speaker and really wanted to keep them, I would not want to ship them back to the manufacturer and risk shipping damage and having to file a claim and then the waiting for a replacement... etc. The in-home fix seems very reasonable.
 

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It was the same with some Australian speakers that I brought and it was great to be able to chat to the designer who gave me some guidance to things I could try.
Both speakers I found excellent but with just a little change to them both they suited me even better.
 

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I'm an SPL freak and like that extra 3-5 dB over what "normal" people listen to. It is actually hard to find good sounding speakers comfortable playing over 95 dB peak at the listening position, spreading the load over multiple drivers would help.
I may have missed it and I'm not sure if the A5s had the c version or third generation planar that I believe has more headroom than the prior generation?

I'm also sure that Jon would listen to suggestions and there is a thread on the TAI forum about the future of Arx speakers. If I recall correctly, there is a post by Colin (Buford) on how the A5s came to be (from his "pestering" Jon on creating the A5s) and the support of the Arx community on the first group buy. Also, the slim line array concept is one of the topics of discussion.
 

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What a cool thread, Sonnie! Was a joy to read... I'm very curious about A5's... I wonder how they would sound paired with their center and surrounds for a HT set-up?
 

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Very interesting read...glad I caught it. I was going to order a LRC this AM and saw this last night. Needless to say...my plans have changed. Save a little money to boot. Any comments on the center offerering from ARX?
 

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Great job guys!

I look forward to the next part of this journey going into the next price range.
 

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I'm very curious about A5's... I wonder how they would sound paired with their center and surrounds for a HT set-up?
Very interesting read...glad I caught it. I was going to order a LRC this AM and saw this last night. Needless to say...my plans have changed. Save a little money to boot. Any comments on the center offerering from ARX?
The A2 center is a very nice LCR speaker. I've been running the A5 and A2 as LCR for the last year and they blend together nicely. The new A2rxc center is suppose to be improved much more especially in the tweeter with improved power handling. I replaced the Axiom VP150 (400.00) with the A2 (189.00) and its been fantastic. Crossed at 80hrz it has no problems keeping up with the A5s.

A nice budget system would be the A2 as mains vertical and center used with A1b surrounds.
 

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Wow! No wonder it took you guys a little bit of time to get the results up. I bet you are a bit tired from the evaluation. Thanks for sharing this with us.

Not having the means to test speakers like you did, I really enjoy reading your reviews on each speaker. I still need front and center speakers for my HT and your reviews really help me out before spending my money. I never would have thought that nor heard of ARX speakers before this. At their price point, I may just have to pull the trigger and get some. I am curious as to how they compare to your $2500 speakers. I cant wait.

One maybe stupid question. Forgive my ignorance. Are you going to leave the speakers in the room where the sweet spot is?

Thanks again for doing this for us.
 

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I may have missed it and I'm not sure if the A5s had the c version or third generation planar that I believe has more headroom than the prior generation?
I am not sure on this. I would have to defer to Jon for an answer.


What a cool thread, Sonnie! Was a joy to read... I'm very curious about A5's... I wonder how they would sound paired with their center and surrounds for a HT set-up?
I think they would be fine in a smaller HT. I am not sure about the other speakers (mainly the center) in a larger room like mine, but they all might be just fine crossed over at 80Hz anyway.


Are you going to leave the speakers in the room where the sweet spot is?
I have the sweet spot marked and the measurements memorized. They will be moved out of the way and to the sides for HT, but in the sweet spot for music listening.
 

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Based on the frequency response, it seems a little odd that the Lores would be bright or harsh.

What I noticed on my own lores was that that the "just out of the boxes to 50 hour sound" had a little more high end emphasis...but not bright or harsh...then as the 10" eminence drivers broke in....around 100-150 hours, the mid range filled out, the tonal balance was better, the bass went deeper and the soundstage became even bigger. But never was the music bright or harsh, no matter how loud the volume was turned up.

From a reference standpoint, I'm using an Oppo 103 into a Parasound 2100 into a Crown Drivecore 2000.
 

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I may have missed it and I'm not sure if the A5s had the c version or third generation planar that I believe has more headroom than the prior generation?

I'm also sure that Jon would listen to suggestions and there is a thread on the TAI forum about the future of Arx speakers. If I recall correctly, there is a post by Colin (Buford) on how the A5s came to be (from his "pestering" Jon on creating the A5s) and the support of the Arx community on the first group buy. Also, the slim line array concept is one of the topics of discussion.
I can't say too much about the line arrays....but numbers are being crunched....pictures drawn on napkins....and plenty of chalk on the chalkboard for a line array. :D

Yes, I was the one who begged Jon to build the A5s. I feel very validated that Sonnie, Wayne, Leonard, and Quentin all had very similar experiences to what Jon and I wanted to craft as the signature sonic character of the A5s. Detail without harshness. Delicacy with plenty of output. A large soundstage with excellent imaging...and well-damped, accurate bass. Speakers that disappeared into the room, behind a wall of sound.

Those are all phrases and adjectives that I used to describe both what I wanted in emails and phone calls with Jon and also in public posts on multiple forums of what I heard after I got the prototypes into my listening space. I am glad that those design goals have been met. They were conceived as being part of the Arx lineup from the beginning, but our intent was to craft a pair of two-channel focused loudspeakers that could easily be used as a HT solution as well. We have been unashamed that our aim and goal was two channel excellence, so I'm very happy to see that they performed well for everybody who heard them...especially in the face of some VERY stiff and respectable competition. I'm sure Jon feels the same.

Wait until you hear them with 25 hours on them or more. Trust me on that. ;)

Thanks to Chad and the rest who voted for them in the poll. I stayed-out because, frankly, I think I'm a little too biased and too close to the "A5 project" to participate in that poll. Also congrats to gorb on your win of the cash prize!

-Collin
 

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Thanks! I bought an engagement ring recently, so it'll be a credit card payment.

And thanks to HTS of course for holding the contest and offering the prize in the first place :D
 

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Perhaps we can bug Jon about a larger A5 tower. I've brought it up in conversations with him on some other forums about a possible A7? tower using a MTM top with the planar and two A5 midranges and either triple 6.5" woofers or a pair of 8" woofers.

I brought up to him that the A5 is great at $749, I wonder what he could do with a $1200-1600 tower. :unbelievable:
That sounds like a winner, Chad. I was one of those that bugged Jon about producing the A5, an A6 and/or A7 would be sweet (are you listening, Jon? :bigsmile:)! I'm an SPL freak and like that extra 3-5 dB over what "normal" people listen to. It is actually hard to find good sounding speakers comfortable playing over 95 dB peak at the listening position, spreading the load over multiple drivers would help.

I haven't heard what the A5 can do (wanted to attend this shootout sooo bad, but couldn't take off work :hissyfit:). But I think a line array with multiple planars and and midbasses would be very interesting. :nerd:
I am all over that... it would no doubt be an awesome speaker that would probably give $3,000 speakers a run. I really hope he does something along those lines. I will fell more comfortable with those as part of a home theater system in a room as big as mine... then I could just move the mains out for two-channel listening.
I may have missed it and I'm not sure if the A5s had the c version or third generation planar that I believe has more headroom than the prior generation?

Also, the slim line array concept is one of the topics of discussion.
The 3rd gen tweeter appears in the upcoming A2rx-c and A3rx-c, arriving October after way too many month's delay in incorporating their upgrades. (Sonically I happen to find these two models quite interesting.)

Nobody hold me to this as a committed product, but I can say that an A7 is on my desk right now, as is the LCR/MTM A6 mentioned in our forum. Naturally we'll announce these models as soon as we feel comfortable doing so.

The line array product is also proceeding, as far as I can tell. It's in prototyping and barring it not being feasible in some way in its current trim, we'd love to leak the specs and drop a few early production pairs out here and there yet this Fall.
 
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