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Emotiva Airmotiv A2+

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#1 ·
A warm welcome to all.
I have a question regarding the impedance of the speakers: I have a Yamaha RX V6A receiver where I can lower the impedances to max 6ohm .
I would like to connect two dolby Atmos speakers with an impedance of 4 ohms.
Can I do this?
I will lower the impedances in the receiver from 8 to 6ohm , but is this enough , but do I look for other species with a minimum of 6ohm ?
The question concerns the speakers - dolby Atmos
Emotiva Airmotiv A2+
 
#2 ·
Welcome to the forum.

Both the efficiency and impedance are low on those speakers, which means they will draw a decent amount of current. Being that they'll be used for as heights means they won't be playing play a lot of material though, so that will help negate the issue somewhat. Couple of questions...

  • How large is the room?
  • How loud do you typically listen?
 
#4 ·
To make a proper calculation we would need to know all 3 dimensions; height, width and depth. Also important is if that room is open to any other spaces.

I'm a little confused by your answer regarding the volume. You say that you don't listen very loudly, but that you listen loudly. Those two statements contradict each other, can you clarify that part?
 
#5 ·
Using 4 ohm speakers with ANY receiver is a BAD CHOICE. You may get away with it if you don't listen very loudly. But if you have height speaker capability inside the AVR, the more 4 ohm speakers you install in the system, the higher the current load will be on the AVR amplifiers. AVR amplifiers are current-starved compared to outboard amplifiers that put 2 or more amplifier channels in a box of their own. A really good 2 channel amplifier will weigh more than a than an entire 11-channel AVR because the amplifier's power supply is GIGANTIC compared to the rather dainty power supplies in AVRs. That said, there are AVRs out there that can drive 4 ohm speakers EASILY... but those AVRs cost $10,000 and more. Your Japanese AVR is definitely in the current-limited dainty-power supply category. Honestly, I don't think you should risk using the 4 Ohm speakers with that AVR. SOMETHING in the AVR is going to get much hotter than it usually runs because of the low impedance of the 2 or 4 height speakers you want to use. The more speakers you are connecting to an AVR, the more you want them to be ABOVE 6 Ohms... meaning 8 Ohms. If you are going to connect seven 6-ohm speakers and four more 4-Ohm speakers, none of the speakers in your system will offer the AVR any "easing of the load" and it could be possible to engage over-temperature protection in the AVR that will shut-down the AVR if it gets too hot. If you are connecting 7 speakers rated by the manufacturer as being 8 Ohm speakers and you connect four 4-Ohm speakers to the height channels... you might get away with that. But the louder you listen the hotter the AVRwill get. I would suggest using as many 8-ohm speakers as possible, using NO 4 Ohm speakers at all, and using 6-Ohm speakers only in the more lightly used height channels. This way you won't be putting the AVR under undue stress by having too many low-impedance loads being driven.

Also be aware that when a manufacturer "rates" their speaker as 8-Ohms or 6-Ohms or 4-Ohms... those are just "guidelines". There is no such thing as a speaker with the same input impedance at every frequency. The crossovers and drivers interact to cause fairly significant variations in impedance at different fewquencies and phase angles. A speaker rated as an 8-ohm speaker is very likely to have an impedance of 4 or 5 ohms at some frequency ranges, 8-0hms at SOME frequency ranges, and 10-20 Ohm impedance at other frequencies. So "8" or "6" or "4" are just sort of "averages" of impedance. Speaers rated as 4 Ohms, will have some frequencies where the real impedance is in the 1.8 to 2 Ohm range and if that happens at a high-ish phase angle (from the crossover or driver(s)), those 4-Ohm speakers can be BRUTAL loads on an AVR. You MUST ASSUME that when a speaker has an impedance rating that there is at least one, and probably 3 or 4 or 6 operating ranges (of frequency) where the 4 Ohm speaker is 2 Ohms or less. That is asking too much of an a AVR... their power supplies are not robust enough to deal with impedance dips that low and do it gracefully.
 
#6 ·
Using speakers near the amplifier limits is a BAD CHOICE, as Da Wiz explains. Question is how close to the limits are you listening? The 8 Ohm - 4 Ohm doubled current load is gone if you turn down your volume by 3 dB.
One way to estimate actual power demand is by using the speaker rated efficiency. For simplicity, let us assume 85 dB at 1 W input and 1 m distance. If you listen at that level for prolonged time, every day, you risk your hearing in the long run. I find 70 dB (A) measured with an SPL meter pretty loud. That demands 32 mW from the Amp.

In other words, only if you play brutally loud, the 4 ohm speakers cause the amp to produce audible signs of overload or overheat shutdown at 3 dB lower than the 8 ohm speakers. BAD CHOICE to play this close to the amp’s limits, because audible distortion ruins the joy of listening and often fries tweeters.